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Old Posted Mar 29, 2013, 8:16 PM
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SAN ANTONIO │ Joske's Tower │ 31 FLOORS │ 410 FEET │ Proposed

GLASS!

It seems the hotel is 24-stories on top of the four story Joske's building. So true height is 28 stories.

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Old Posted Mar 29, 2013, 8:42 PM
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That is ... a bulky building. I don't know how I feel about a huge hotel like that directly on Alamo Plaza. I kind of like the low slung heights right there because they don't overpower the Alamo; and this will make it look way smaller.

Although, admittedly, if it were an apartment building I would probably like it more.
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Better not screw this up. Can't wait for it. Cut it by 20 stories. Make the glass brown.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2013, 9:04 PM
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If you can't tell, there's an open air area at the near top.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2013, 9:08 PM
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I actually hope they change the design. It's kind of ugly if you ask me. But! I do hope it is built in some form.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2013, 9:53 PM
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I think it looks good, time to build up, not out. I'm sure it can be tweaked but it better not turn brown and nothing shorter than 24 stories.
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I just wish the defenders of this development in the comments section of the EN article would get their facts straight. Being just to the southwest of the Alamo, it definitely will cast a shadow on the Alamo, especially during winter, when the sun is in the south.

As for Ashkenazy's seriousness, I have serious doubts. I worked in the Joske's building for 2 years and was privy to all sorts of pie-in-the-sky development plans that didn't pan out. This rendering looks like little more than a placeholder. It doesn't seem designed so much as it apes the Grand Hyatt but with a right-angle turn in the middle.

And the timeshares being referred to by another commenter are probably La Cascada, which is another Wyndham development. They're not off 37-- nonetheless it's obvious that's what they were thinking of.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2013, 11:09 PM
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I just wish the defenders of this development in the comments section of the EN article would get their facts straight. Being just to the southwest of the Alamo, it definitely will cast a shadow on the Alamo, especially during winter, when the sun is in the south.
Inside the agenda item was two graphics that show how the winter and summer solstice will affect shadowing. It never casts a shadow during the summer solstice and barely creates a shadow over alamo plaza for one hour of the late afternoon during winter solstice. The agenda seems to have been taken down, but I read it all.

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As for Ashkenazy's seriousness, I have serious doubts. I worked in the Joske's building for 2 years and was privy to all sorts of pie-in-the-sky development plans that didn't pan out. This rendering looks like little more than a placeholder. It doesn't seem designed so much as it apes the Grand Hyatt but with a right-angle turn in the middle.
It's at the stage of seeking approval from the hdrc, that's past being pie in the sky.

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And the timeshares being referred to by another commenter are probably La Cascada, which is another Wyndham development. They're not off 37-- nonetheless it's obvious that's what they were thinking of.
But La Cascada does well. No clue how 37 came into the picture unless, and more than likely, that person was referring to another development.
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^Changed the title. What thread were you talking about deleting?

As for the height, at 28 floors I would expect it to be around 300 feet or so.

I've been working on a building height list for San Antonio. I've been using Google Earth which has a GIS feature that let's you measure building heights.

Anyway, the heights I've found so far in that area are easily compatible with how tall this building would be.

Marriott Rivercenter Hotel - 452 feet to the spires - 379 feet to the mechanical penthouse - 354 feet to the main roof.
Grand Hyatt - 424 feet to the mechanical penthouse - 389 feet to the main roof.
Marriott Riverwalk Hotel - 271 feet to the mechanical penthouse - 252 feet to the main roof.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2013, 11:36 PM
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Does anyone know when the aerial images were taken for Google maps? The street level images are from April of 2011, but I'm not sure about the aerial ones.

While there will be a shadow cast in the general direction of the Alamo, I don't think it'll be long enough to actually be over the Alamo grounds. At least the current Google aerial maps don[t seem to suggest it.
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Does anyone know when the aerial images were taken for Google maps? The street level images are from April of 2011, but I'm not sure about the aerial ones.
Hard to tell. It depends where you look. I would say 2010 or so. On the 45' aerial view, CIA at Pearl is not built and water is not flowing in River North, suggesting 2008 or so, but Cevallos Lofts has sitework done suggesting Fall 2010. IDK
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The building itself isn't that bad. It could be better. The most obvious problem is it doesn't fit with the Joskee's building at it's base.

This building would do better across from the Hilton Palacio Del Rio or next to Rivercenter.

Another problem is the idea of adding more rooms to the downtown market. There have already been a number of foreclosures because existing hotels have not been able to get enough room revenue to pay their debts (17% tax and $20 parking don't help).

So they weren't able to do anything else with the space? Not a good sign for retail downtown.

Wouldn't this be a good space for the Institute of Texan Cultures? Now, I don't know what they actually have there anymore, how much space and what they do with it. Not to mention the complexity of exchanging properties, but the proximity to other attractions would cetainly help them, I would think. They could give their old property to the city/hemisfair and the city could give an equal amount of property on market & alamo to the mall owners (if they're really serious about building a hotel).

What? I've heard crazier ideas.
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Does anyone know when the aerial images were taken for Google maps? The street level images are from April of 2011, but I'm not sure about the aerial ones.
Orthos are from spring 2013
Obliques are from some time in early 2009 I believe (its been a while)
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Anyone willing to posit a guess on how many hotel rooms this may have? It looks it'd have to have a few hundred or so. What are hotel occupancy rates like for the downtown area? I thought I saw a number in the ~60% range a while back, although I could be wrong. Does downtown really need that kind of capacity hitting the market since there have been a few hotels file for bankruptcy somewhat recently?
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This is a nice looking building. I hope it gets built.
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What are hotel occupancy rates like for the downtown area? I thought I saw a number in the ~60% range a while back, although I could be wrong.
From this article from November 2012.

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followed by San Antonio with 65.5 percent
I've always heard that once a market hits 70 percent occupancy that that's when new hotel construction begins. However, that number for San Antonio was the citywide number. The Austin number in that article was mentioned as 69 percent, but the downtown number was 78 percent. I would imagine the downtown San Antonio number was a good bit higher than that 65 percent number.
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Here are the other two renderings that came with that article. Does anyone know who the architect is?


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Here are the other two renderings that came with that article. Does anyone know who the architect is?
The bottom of that sketch says SA Partnership Architects.

http://sapartnership.com/
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The bottom of that sketch says SA Partnership Architects.

http://sapartnership.com/
Thanks. I hadn't noticed, but they "moved" the tower. From east of St. Joseph Church to west of it. Having it be east of it would have meant any shadow would have further away from the Alamo.
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I'll take it, but why isn't it on the agenda anymore?
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