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Old Posted Oct 17, 2019, 5:08 PM
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I don't know if you realize it or not, but your own graphic just validated the point I was making. But if you think you scored a pointed, that's okay. Congrats.
You literally claimed it was THE worst in the developed world. An absolute statement that holds significant weight...

data clearly shows massive population centers with significantly worse roads just in the united states alone

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Old Posted Oct 17, 2019, 5:25 PM
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You literally claimed it was THE worst in the developed world. An absolute statement that holds significant weight...

data clearly shows massive population centers with significantly worse roads just in the united states alone

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You are ridiculous. Detroit's roads suck, that is a statement of fact not opinion, and you verified it. The governor's literal campaign slogan was "fix the damn roads."



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Old Posted Oct 17, 2019, 5:42 PM
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As has been stated in this thread, northern roads tend to be generally poorer condition due to inclement winter weather... but... what's Oklahoma's excuse, I wonder?
northern roads also are maintained more often. As soon as the snow and ice thaws, work crews are all over (or supposed to be) fixing potholes
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Oklahoma has bad roads? Maybe it's their anti Government spending stance = Socialism?
I've never spent extensive time there... I'm just basing that statement off the chart that was posted.
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Why would you re-quote the entire graphic? lol

Thinking is nice I guess but you glossed over LA also being worse and Detroit being on par with Milwaukee. I'm not gonna play some transit goal post game, just pointing out you were obviously wrong, you can admit it.
Dude you are probably the only person on Earth who is defending their city streets when according to your own graphic they suck.


New Orleans streets are horrible.
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Oklahoma has bad roads? Maybe it's their anti Government spending stance = Socialism?
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You are ridiculous. Detroit's roads suck, that is a statement of fact not opinion, and you verified it. The governor's literal campaign slogan was "fix the damn roads."
Are you okay? I never said they didn't suck. For the record; they suck! This whole country has crappy roads big surprise. I provided hard data and you changed goal posts, threw a toddler-esque tantrum and now put words into my mouth to deflect. You could have just not responded... way easier than your tap dancing.
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same with bad st. louis drivers ending up on a roof(?) after flying off the freeway i think.
Speaking of bad STL drivers, what the hell are STL motorists smoking down there??? I was in an accident two weekends ago on Forest Park and Kingshighway and for what's supposed to be considered a major American city, nowadays you'd think that there would at least be a red light camera installed by now at that intersection!!!

I'm not even sure if that intersection is the most dangerous in the city or what, but Jesus, STL sure have some method-out drivers from my experience!!!
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The San Francisco-Oakland metropolitan area isn’t far behind, with 71% of its roads in poor condition.

The Bay Area of California as a whole has poor road conditions for a variety of reasons, one of which is that its roads are paved on top of sandy dunes. The roads have since been buckled by earthquakes. Also, the infrastructure funding in the city is notoriously low due to the fact that there was no increase in the base excise tax for gas in the state for more than a decade. Again, hopefully, this will change soon, with the Road Repair and Accountability Act of 2017 having been passed in the state recently.
And here is the answer folks. Hopefully they raise gas taxes....makes you wonder how they ranked each location. Hopefully...

California did raise gas taxes and fees and has the highest taxes, unfortunately that money goes into peoples' pockets and not towards road infrastructure.
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Are you okay? I never said they didn't suck. For the record; they suck! This whole country has crappy roads big surprise. I provided hard data and you changed goal posts, threw a toddler-esque tantrum and now put words into my mouth to deflect. You could have just not responded... way easier than your tap dancing.
They suck more than just about every other place in the country.
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Speaking of bad STL drivers, what the hell are STL motorists smoking down there??? I was in an accident two weekends ago on Forest Park and Kingshighway and for what's supposed to be considered a major American city, nowadays you'd think that there would at least be a red light camera installed by now at that intersection!!!

I'm not even sure if that intersection is the most dangerous in the city or what, but Jesus, STL sure have some method-out drivers from my experience!!!
screw red ligt cameras. missouri ruled them unconstitutional years ago and cleared everyones backlog and uninstalled them. they were horrible.

but yes stl drivers.
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Michigan definitely has bad roads. Ohio has the same weather, and has quite decent roads.

And I'm highly skeptical of any study that has Southern CA roads ranked worse than Michigan roads. I have never encountered moonscape roads in Southern CA, which is pretty much the norm in Michigan, especially in the Spring.
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I always thought Southern California roads were terrible (well, at least the freeways), but I lived and learned to drive in Phoenix before moving there so my perception was skewed.
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I always thought Southern California roads were terrible (well, at least the freeways), but I lived and learned to drive in Phoenix before moving there so my perception was skewed.
I'm in Orange County a couple of times a year, and always amazed at the smooth roads. Maybe I'm in the wrong area (usually Newport-Irvine area).
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I think it is safe to assume that if it is a moderate to large American city, the roads will suck.
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I have heard Jackson, Mississippi has really bad roads despite not having so much of the freeze/thaw cycle, but more because of local soil conditions.
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I'm in Orange County a couple of times a year, and always amazed at the smooth roads. Maybe I'm in the wrong area (usually Newport-Irvine area).
You're not wrong. OC freeways are nice and smooth and you notice the difference immediately as soon as you cross over from LA County.


LA county [under construction]:
https://goo.gl/maps/RpyqajL3o9UuoHXm9

1 mile down the freeway in OC:
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I would say probably Detroit.
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It's too early to tell the road conditions of these more modern cities, like Phoenix and Las Vegas, are going to be 10-20 years from now. Particularly Phoenix, which is more spread out than L.A., using population stats. How on earth are they going to maintain all those roads/streets over time? Well, it's a no-brainer, they're not!

When I moved from Las Vegas to Tucson, someone who had visited here told me that he wouldn't move there just because of the bad road conditions. I told him, to drive all over the Valley, because Las Vegas' roads will be no better in the future.

Tucson dates back to the mid-to-late 1800's, and since I don't drive much in Tucson, I don't have but few complaints.

Tucson is the Liberal Blue Island of the SW and I love it here, even if my car falls into a big pothole, I'm not leaving.

I love their electric priorities here. Instead of using $$ to repair out side streets, which I don't think have been repaved in 60 years, they go ahead and spend it on art work along the freeways and our city streets. Just down the street from me, On Pima, they put engraved desert creatures into the sidewalks. I love it!

For those living in cities with great mass transit systems, who don't even own a car, even in L.A., poor roads don't even show up on their radar screens.
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Michigan definitely has bad roads. Ohio has the same weather, and has quite decent roads.

And I'm highly skeptical of any study that has Southern CA roads ranked worse than Michigan roads. I have never encountered moonscape roads in Southern CA, which is pretty much the norm in Michigan, especially in the Spring.
i’ve been all over california this year and everywhere i turn are spanking new roads (SB1), and i’ve *never* seen anything like worst-case midwestern roads in california...
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