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I like to see non-photoshopped images of cities that show what these places actually look like.

here is Guangzhou, 2019

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but also it's US style sprawl

You have never seen US style sprawl if you think there's a similarity. I wouldn't confuse that for sprawl anywhere in the Western world actually.
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I went to Shanghai once and found it quite pleasant. I feel that Shanghai might not be a good place to visit, but would be a good place to live (were I Chinese).
I haven't traveled in China extensively. I've never been on my own, it's always a work trip. Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou. Out of those four Mainland cities, Shanghai in my opinion is vaaastly superior in basically every way. The French Concession is legit one of the nicest areas in East Asia. It's gorgeous. Hongkou is fantastic too. Shanghai's colonial history makes for a far more cosmopolitan feel - both architecturally and among the population - than you'll likely find in any other Mainland city.
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^ great pics, very much a Singapore vibe (in a good way), but pleasantly messier.

Dongguan, 2017

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You have never seen US style sprawl if you think there's a similarity. I wouldn't confuse that for sprawl anywhere in the Western world actually.
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I haven't traveled in China extensively. I've never been on my own, it's always a work trip. Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou. Out of those four Mainland cities, Shanghai in my opinion is vaaastly superior in basically every way. The French Concession is legit one of the nicest areas in East Asia. It's gorgeous. Hongkou is fantastic too. Shanghai's colonial history makes for a far more cosmopolitan feel - both architecturally and among the population - than you'll likely find in any other Mainland city.
Southern China has a lot more appeal to me than northern China. more refined, more of a tradition and cultural heritage that survived the ravages of communism, the seat of the southern Song dynasty vs the north's warrior manchurians and mongols...plus the vastly greater linkages with overseas chinese communities in SE Asia and the west.

I think muppet had a post about this a long time ago.

Guangzhou looks like a pretty cool place. I've never been but I'd be curious if others have this preference or impression.
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Isn't the area around Guangzhou (Canton) and the Pearl River delta the region where historically the Chinese immigrants that settled Chinatowns came from? Well, the western part of the Pearl River delta, I think. Which is why Taishanese, Cantonese etc. used to be the lingua franca of the Chinese diaspora up to the late 20th century in some places.

It's interesting to see how the ancestral "homeland" of much of the Chinese diaspora in the US has become such a huge sprawling region in these photos, when back in the days of the emigration away into the Gold Rushes of California, and the Chinatowns of the western world, from the late 1800s until a couple generations ago, the Pearl River delta would have been such an agrarian area and rural, losing people to emigration, compared to the bustling metropolises of NYC, Chicago, LA and San Francisco where some Chinatowns would be founded in.

Times must have changed a lot since then...
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Meanwhile Shenzhen by night is total Bladerunner

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Rich Shenzhen:

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This is the newest city centre to add to the Pear River Delta City:

The new Shenzhen Bay CBD by 韩bean












Old CBD (and the world's biggest roof, by Arata Isozaki)

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It should be noted with all this talk of Metro systems in the PRD linking up that the same thing is also happening in the Yangtze River delta. Shanghai Metro already has a station (Huaqiao) in Kunshan, Jiangsu, which will become an interchange station with the Suzhou Metro in the coming years when the currently U/C S1 line of the Suzhou Metro is completed in 2023.
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Isn't the area around Guangzhou (Canton) and the Pearl River delta the region where historically the Chinese immigrants that settled Chinatowns came from? Well, the western part of the Pearl River delta, I think. Which is why Taishanese, Cantonese etc. used to be the lingua franca of the Chinese diaspora up to the late 20th century in some places.

It's interesting to see how the ancestral "homeland" of much of the Chinese diaspora in the US has become such a huge sprawling region in these photos, when back in the days of the emigration away into the Gold Rushes of California, and the Chinatowns of the western world, from the late 1800s until a couple generations ago, the Pearl River delta would have been such an agrarian area and rural, losing people to emigration, compared to the bustling metropolises of NYC, Chicago, LA and San Francisco where some Chinatowns would be founded in.

Times must have changed a lot since then...
read this article: seems that the impoverished peasantry is still there, but has moved to places like Shenzhen to work in factories for global supply chains Instead of moving to San Francisco to start laundromats and work in gold mines


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Workers in Shenzhen, China, toil day and night sewing clothes, building iPhones and iPads, constructing skyscrapers and new subway lines, and cleaning hotel rooms for global capitalists negotiating business deals. During a recent visit to Hong Kong and mainland China, I explored labor relations in this city of 13 million that has been at the heart of the nation’s industrialization miracle. A booming factory town, Shenzhen feels in some ways as I imagined New York City or Chicago one hundred years ago: their neighborhoods overflowing with working people and families, the streets jammed with traffic, peddlers of various kinds shouting out their deals and tempting you to buy. In each blossoming industrial cityscape, migrants, often from peasant backgrounds, mingle and bustle across the crowded sidewalks and streets. But whereas New York City’s industrial working class in the early twentieth century was composed of immigrants from across Europe, Asia, and the Caribbean, Shenzhen workers are mostly internal migrants from China’s countryside—they are China’s famed “peasant-workers,” as they are commonly known. Forming a class of nearly 290 million people, according to China Labour Bulletin, the peasant-workers constitute 35 per cent of China’s total working population (810 million) and have become central to the success story of Chinese capitalism.

What challenges do these peasant-workers face as they build a life for themselves in Shenzhen—particularly at this historical moment when President Xi Jinping has steered his country sharply toward authoritarianism? While gleaming shopping malls dot the urban landscapes of China, selling Nikes, Coach bags, and Prada shoes, a more authoritarian regime is making it harder for workers to organize or protest their low wages and poor working conditions. Consumer capitalism is king. “We have one freedom only,” a labor activist explained to me, “the freedom to consume.” With consumerism as the only panacea, harsh working conditions, low wages, virtually no union protections, and a legal system that denies full rights to peasant-workers in cities like Shenzhen, Chinese communism has created the most brilliant system on earth for capitalist exploitation of its working class.
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On the topic of Guangzhou, I seem to get a lot of pictures of it popping up on my Instagram feed. It's workaday neighbourhoods look pretty fascinating.















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Those are called 'urban villages' or 'handshake housing' (so closely buit one can shake hands across the street), illegal or semi-legal buildings that were constructed in the 80s and 90s boom.
They are of course now fast disappearing and there's growing calls to protect them as the traditional Chinese streetlife is absurdly interesting and community based. It is what most outsiders think China looks like.

The loss of urban villages is considered the largest urban demolition in history, for example Guangzhou is set to lose all 138 villages it had in 2000:

https://www.metropolitiques.eu/The-M...a-s-Urban.html


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ruction-urban/


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The new CBD in Zhujiang was built slap bang into one of the city's former poorest areas. Only a few remnants of the villages remain (the one below now gone too)


www.thatsmags.com

Some urban villages are becoming legalised with urban renewal:


https://alk3r.wordpress.com/2016/02/...ages-of-china/

http://localcode.org

http://www.petrieinventory.com/duplication-in-dafen


The most infamous of which is Tianhenan in Guangzhou, now impossible to bulldoze - a district right in the middle of the central meridian that connects the different CBDs.

The small blue twin towers mark an imposition on what should be a vast central vista between the stadium and the Canton Tower, sided by supertalls


https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnas/9886547474


https://www.flickr.com/photos/cookiesound/8210912751


Tianhenan has morphed into a functioning part of the city centre now:



https://www.hotel.info/en/lavande-ho.../hotel-573813/



https://www.agoda.com/en-gb/iu-hotel....html?cid=-218



While others like the much celebrated Bashizhou in Shenzhen is falling still to the wrecking ball, and people want to preserve it exactly as it is. Go there while you can, a photographer's dream:


http://www.chinafile.com/features/de...-of-baishizhou


http://www.chinafile.com/features/de...-of-baishizhou

http://www.chinafile.com/features/de...-of-baishizhou

http://www.chinafile.com/features/de...-of-baishizhou

http://www.chinafile.com/features/de...-of-baishizhou

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Modern China is so sterile, I love the remnants of the old China. So much personality and character. Re: Bashizhou in Shenzhen.
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