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Who says they want to have an impact on the country, though? I think that's just certain Canadians' starry-eyed wishful thinking as opposed to something this couple has ever thought about.

Anyway, in the extremely extremely unlikely event that they were to move to Canada to occupy some sort of symbolic governmental or monarchical function, they'd obviously move to Ottawa, not Toronto.
Since they’re moving to Canada only for part of the year, it won’t be for some official role. I suspect she wants to get back to work, in some way, but he may find himself limited to the voluntary sector and clipping his coupons. Although both could probably earn beaucoup bucks on the speakers circuit. I wonder if the Invictus Games have any paid staff?
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I heard that Meghan has signed a deal with Disney to do some voiceover work.

People are speculating she will go back to acting and many are wishing for a Suits movie. I was listening to a lot of chatter about this over the weekend on various talk radio on Sirius XM where their decision was quite the topic.
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I heard that Meghan has signed a deal with Disney to do some voiceover work.

People are speculating she will go back to acting and many are wishing for a Suits movie. I was listening to a lot of chatter about this over the weekend on various talk radio on Sirius XM where their decision was quite the topic.
The Disney deal was in exchange for them making a donation to a charity/cause. She's not getting paid for it.
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Canada says it will pick up Harry and Meghan's security bill while they are in the country

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13 January 2020 • 6:32pm

Canada will pay for Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s round-the-clock security while they spend a “period of transition” in the country, it has been reported.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has assured the Queen that the safety of the Royal couple and their son Archie will be taken care of, in a move that could cost Canadian taxpayers millions of pounds.

Last night, the Queen released a rare statement, saying she would have preferred Harry and Meghan “to remain full-time working Members of the Royal Family” but that she is “entirely supportive” of their desire to create a new life as a young family.

Her Majesty confirmed that “there will be a period of transition in which the Sussexes will spend time in Canada and the UK.”

The Evening Standard reported that Mr Trudeau privately assured the Queen that their security would be dealt with, even if the couple continue to have British royal protection officers from the Metropolitan police.

But that decision has caused a backlash in some parts, with Aaron Wudrick, director of the Canadian Taxpayers’ Federation saying: “I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect us to pay for everything the way we do for a royal visit.

“If they’re going to make Canada a second home, a good step in the right direction would be to pay for at least part of it, and not rely on taxpayers to fund their entire lifestyle.”

Full story at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...-bill-country/
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I wouldn't say that paying for their security detail is "funding their lifestyle".

Security costs are a "cost of doing business" for the country. Just imagine the public relations nightmare if they were assassinated on Canadian soil.

The Canadian government should not fund their living accommodations or their ongoing living expenses. Security is something entirely different.
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2020, 9:48 PM
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I wouldn't say that paying for their security detail is "funding their lifestyle".

Security costs are a "cost of doing business" for the country. Just imagine the public relations nightmare if they were assassinated on Canadian soil.

The Canadian government should not fund their living accommodations or their ongoing living expenses. Security is something entirely different.
If they decide to live in LA or NYC for a fair amount of the time each year who will pay for their security then? I can't see it being taxpayers. It should be no different here.
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This is the breakdown of how things are paid for in the UK.

I would imagine that H&M have enough money to pay a substantial amount of their own security. Canada will ensure the security is to a high standard so that there would be no embarrassment on our soil.

Certain folks here will still say its a waste of money, whatever.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-2011-guidance

Sovereign Grant Act 2011: guidance
Updated 5 November 2019

1. Sovereign Grant
The Sovereign Grant Act 2011 came into effect on 1 April 2012. It sets the single grant supporting the monarch’s official business, enabling The Queen to discharge her duties as Head of State. It meets the central staff costs and running expenses of Her Majesty’s official household – such things as official receptions, investitures, garden parties and so on. It also covers maintenance of the Royal Palaces in England and the cost of travel to carry out royal engagements such as opening buildings and other royal visits.

In exchange for this public support, The Queen surrenders the revenue from The Crown Estate to the government which for 2017-18 was £329.4 million. The Sovereign Grant for 2019-20 is £82.4 million which is 25% of £329.4 million. Section 2 explains how this is calculated.

It was announced in November 2019 that the Sovereign Grant for 2020-21 will be £85.9 million. This is 25% of The Crown Estate’s revenue surplus in 2018-19 which was £343.5 million.

In accordance with the Civil List Act 1952, HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh receives a Parliamentary annuity of £359,000. Although, the Duke of Edinburgh has stepped back from public official duties, he still requires office support for non-public official duties. The Duke of Edinburgh is Patron, President or a member of over 780 organisations, with which he continues to be associated, although he no longer plays an active role by attending engagements.

Visit the official website of the British Monarchy

2. Determination of the Sovereign Grant
Normally the size of Sovereign Grant for a given year is equal to a prescribed proportion (initially 15% and since 2017/18 25%) of The Crown Estate’s profit for the financial year two years prior to the year in question. This means that the Grant can be set firmly at the beginning of each financial year, e.g. the Grant for 2019-20 is linked to The Crown Estate profit for 2017-18.

The Crown Estate’s audited accounts are published in the summer. At the time of the Budget, the Royal Trustees (the Prime Minister, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Keeper of the Privy Purse) publish a formal report recommending the amount of the Sovereign Grant for the next financial year based on the formula described above.

If the whole of the Sovereign Grant is not spent in a given year, the surplus is paid into a Reserve Fund, controlled by the Royal Trustees. The amount that may accumulate in the Reserve Fund is limited in line with the provisions set out in the Sovereign Grant Act 2011. – this gives the Royal Trustees the power to set a lower level of Sovereign Grant than the formula would otherwise generate.

3. Accountability
The Royal Household is fully financially accountable. The Royal Household’s business accounts are audited by the National Audit Office (NAO) and laid before Parliament. The NAO may also undertake value for money reviews to scrutinise its use of public funds. The Public Accounts Committee (PAC) may in turn investigate these further.

4. Review of the formula for Sovereign Grant
The percentage used for calculating the Sovereign Grant is reviewed every five years. The first review began in April 2016 and assessed whether the 15% proportion value was appropriate. The Royal Trustees recommended an increase in the percentage to 25% from 17/18 to fund reservicing works at Buckingham Palace and Her Majesty’s official duties.
For more details, please read:

the Sovereign Grant Act 2011: Report of the Royal Trustees on the Sovereign Grant Review 2016
the Buckingham Palace Reservicing Programme Summary
5. Duchy of Cornwall
The Duchy of Cornwall is a private landed estate created by Charter in 1337 when Edward III granted it to his son and heir, Prince Edward (the Black Prince) and all his subsequent heirs. It provides each Duke with an income from its assets. The current Duke is the Heir to the Throne, HRH Prince Charles.

The estate comprises primarily agricultural, commercial and residential property, in addition to which the Duchy has a portfolio of financial investments. The Duchy consists of around 52,971 hectares of land in 23 counties, mostly in the South West of England. For more details, please visit the official website for the Duchy of Cornwall.

Under the Sovereign Grant Act:
a grant is to be paid to heirs to the throne who are not Dukes of Cornwall to put them in a similar financial position as if they were Dukes of Cornwall; this means that in future daughters of the monarch, as well as younger sons, could benefit

if the heir is not the Duke of Cornwall and is over 18, the heir is to receive a grant based on Duchy revenues; the Monarch (who in these circumstances becomes the Duke) receives the Duchy revenues, and the Sovereign Grant is reduced by an equal amount (so in effect, the heir would receive the Duchy income)

if the Duke of Cornwall is a minor, 90% of the revenues of the Duchy go to the monarch and the Sovereign Grant is reduced accordingly

6. Royal Palaces
The occupied Royal Palaces are held in trust for the nation by The Queen as Sovereign. Their maintenance and upkeep is one of the expenses met by the government in return for the surrender by the Sovereign of the hereditary revenues of the Crown (mainly the profit from the Crown Estate). The Sovereign Grant will allow the Royal Household to set its own priorities and thus generate economies.

The occupied Royal Palaces are:

Buckingham Palace
St James’s Palace
the residential and office areas of Kensington Palace
the Royal Mews and Royal Paddocks at Hampton Court
Windsor Castle and buildings in the Home and Great Parks at Windsor
7. Royal Travel
The Sovereign Grant covers the cost of The Queen’s travel on official engagements and travel by members of the royal family representing Her. Safety, security, presentation, the need to minimise disruption for others, the effective use of time, environmental impact and cost are taken into account when deciding on the most appropriate means of travel.

Where appropriate, The Queen and Other Members of the Royal Family use scheduled train services for their official journeys. In addition, The Queen, The Duke of Edinburgh and The Prince of Wales may use the Royal Train for longer journeys in the UK.

The Royal train enables members of the Royal Family to travel overnight and to work and hold meetings during lengthy journeys. It has modern office and communications facilities.

Journeys on the train are always organised so as not to interfere with scheduled services.

8. Tax
The Monarch is not legally liable to pay income tax, capital gains tax or inheritance tax because the relevant enactments do not apply to the Crown. The same is true for the income from the Duchy of Cornwall which is paid to The Prince of Wales. Since 1993, The Queen and the Prince of Wales have paid tax voluntarily in the same way as everyone else does. This is set out in a Memorandum of Understanding on Royal Taxation, updated March 2013.

The Queen is not liable to pay tax on the Sovereign Grant as it covers official expenditure only and, under the arrangements in the Memorandum, tax would not be due.

Other key points to note:

the Queen voluntary pays income and capital gains tax, alongside inheritance tax to the extent described in paragraphs 1.9 and 1.10 in the Memorandum. Tax is also paid on The Queen’s Privy Purse income (which includes income received from the Duchy of Lancaster) to the extent that it is not used for official purposes
other members of the Royal Family are fully liable to tax in the normal way. The cost of their official duties is allowed against tax
the Duke of Edinburgh pays tax on any part of the annuity that is not used wholly, exclusively and necessarily in the performance of his official duties. In practice the whole of the annuity is used for official business
9. The Crown Estate
The Crown Estate is the property of the Sovereign “in right of the Crown”, as found on the official website of The Crown Estate. Since 1760 each monarch has surrendered its revenue to the Exchequer in return for government support.

For more details, you can view financial information on this section of the official website of The Crown Estate.

The profit of the Crown Estate is a reference point for the calculation of Sovereign Grant. The Crown Estate does not pay the Sovereign Grant to the Monarch directly. It makes a payment each year to the Consolidated Fund and HM Treasury makes the payment to the Monarch.

10. Security costs
No breakdown of security costs is available as disclosure of such information could compromise the integrity of these arrangements and affect the security of the individuals protected. It is long established policy not to comment upon the protective security arrangements and their related costs for members of the Royal Family or their residences
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I wouldn't say that paying for their security detail is "funding their lifestyle".

Security costs are a "cost of doing business" for the country. Just imagine the public relations nightmare if they were assassinated on Canadian soil.

The Canadian government should not fund their living accommodations or their ongoing living expenses. Security is something entirely different.
That's how things are but people have a right to complain. They're not a PM/President of a country; these people have no official business here. They're controversial people (you mentioned assignation). If they want to come here they can pay for what ever security they deem fit. I certainly don't want to contribute a penny towards it.

It's terrible when anyone dies but it's certainly not Canada's fault if something happens to them. Was it Canada's fault when that mob boss in Montreal got whacked? This is no different.
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Was it Canada's fault when that mob boss in Montreal got whacked? This is no different.
Harry and Megan are not mob bosses. That's a false equivalency.

Would you be happier if we just put them in protective custody???
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I wouldn't say that paying for their security detail is "funding their lifestyle".

Security costs are a "cost of doing business" for the country. Just imagine the public relations nightmare if they were assassinated on Canadian soil.

The Canadian government should not fund their living accommodations or their ongoing living expenses. Security is something entirely different.
Plus everyone knows Prince Phillip ordered the hit on Diana....
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Not to mention one half is from LA and the other is from London. It would be exceptionally funny if Victoria was chosen as anything more than a summer vacation destination but there is some smoke to that rumor.

Toronto is probably their only reasonable choice to have any sort of impact on the country rather than being celebrities for the sake of being celebrities.
The optics of them living in the United States would be too poor; I imagine they had to pick Canada. Moving outside the Commonwealth Realms would just be too much.
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The Windsors can sort out their family issues themselves but boy does the talk of making Harry our GG or even King or whatever make Canada look even less like a serious or "real" country.
Hey, at least this time, it's over someone who is very symbolically appropriate. Who better than the brother of our future King to be the representative of the Crown on our soil?
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I don't mean to be negative but if you're rich and famous why would you choose to move to Canada instead of live in London?
But they can have both at the same time, by moving to London (Ontario).
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I don't mean to be negative but if you're rich and famous why would you choose to move to Canada instead of live in London? I guess some people like remote wilderness. Living in Ottawa would not really tick that box.
You clearly have never been to Vancouver Island.

This video answers that question... https://vimeo.com/121326803
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Looks like they only want to temporarily stay here for half-year periods until Trump is gone. Then they will make their real home in the US, a republic that violently achieved independence. Canada, the country they rule over as part of the royal family, is just a stop-gap. We will happily pay for their security and the rabid monarchists here will kiss their ass, too.

Everything about this screams Canadian (or at least, Anglophone Canadian, because Quebecois are not as submissive and pathetic).
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If they decide to live in LA or NYC for a fair amount of the time each year who will pay for their security then? I can't see it being taxpayers. It should be no different here.
I'm sure the servile, sad Anglophone Canadian monarchists will eagerly pay for their security when they live in the US. Even if they only live in US / UK, Anglophone Canadian monarchists will probably be giddy to name them King and Queen.

A pretty sad lot with no culture or self esteem.
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The Windsors can sort out their family issues themselves but boy does the talk of making Harry our GG or even King or whatever make Canada look even less like a serious or "real" country.

I mean he has no deep ties to Canada except that he vacations here and his American wife shot a TV show in Toronto due to generous tax credits.

I have visited lots of countries, liked most of them a lot and built relations with many people in them but I doubt this makes me suitable as a head of state for any of them. Even as a figurehead. As well intentioned as I might be.

Just another case of Canada desperate for the big time, pining for a place in the pages of Hello! magazine.

I just returned from a somewhat extended period abroad and reading shit like this really hammers home how Canada is the land where there is no "there" there. It is so very striking how non-descript and of little consequence most things like this are seen to be and as a result end up being just that , to the point that the position of head of state - even symbolic - can be auctioned off in a flurry of celebrity-chasing fervour.
Well said. I would quote your other posts in this thread, too, but I pretty much agree with all of it.

I would exclude Quebec from this equation, though (and I don't mean that sarcastically or in a tongue-in-cheek manner, as I sometimes do). Quebec does have a sense of place, a sense of self, and some self-esteem.

Canada does feel like a bit of a joke sometimes.
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So, I gather you aren't a monarchist then..........
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I see great value in our Westminster parliament and am not iconoclastic regarding our history. That said, it is clear that the British Empire that spawned us is dead, and has left behind not much more than a hedge fund and an intelligence unit. What advantage do we gain from LARPing that it remains a going concern?
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I see great value in our Westminster parliament and am not iconoclastic regarding our history. That said, it is clear that the British Empire that spawned us is dead, and has left behind not much more than a hedge fund and an intelligence unit. What advantage do we gain from LARPing that it remains a going concern?
Culture? History? Identity? I seem to recall posts on same in Canada from time to time ...

Not that I see some Mountbatten Windsors parking it in Canada as relevant to same. I guess I’m pleased that they think we’re a nice place for an extended visit.
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