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Old Posted Jun 23, 2020, 1:00 PM
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Congrats on moving to San Diego. The Bosa tower will be nice with the roof deck and finishes, but if you can afford it buying in Smart Corner will make more sense financially in the long run. Smart Corner used to be kinda on the edge of downtown and the surrounding neighborhood was kinda underdeveloped (a little sketchy), but that is changing fast. The whole Upper East Village is now happening with new restaurants in IDEA 1 and along Broadway. Literally, 1000s of new units (almost all apartments) are approved around Smart Corner. The addition of people and $, should result in more businesses, restaurants, and amenities. Smart Corner also literally sits above the trolley station for seamless rides to Little Italy's Mercato on Saturdays and soon straight to the heart of UCSD in LaJolla when the new trolley line opens. But for now, Smart Corner is undervalued with strong investment potential. Its also hard to beat the rooftop hot tub and grill. [I lived there and loved it from 2015-2018]

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Old Posted Jun 23, 2020, 5:03 PM
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Hey SD Planner. Thanks for the awesome reply, I figured I'd get negativity.

Yeah, I want to be downtown with access to the highway. This place seemed reasonably priced, nice balconies/views and potential for appreciation.

I've been following the forum closely as the East Village just seems to be blowing up. I hope that all these projects continue after covid slows down. Get rid of some of those parking lots.

Thanks again!
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2020, 5:29 AM
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I guess this is pretty much it for Downtown SD high rise development for the next 5 years. high rise construction is toast downtown once Bosa and Pinnacle are done. Am I wrong?
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2020, 6:34 PM
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I guess this is pretty much it for Downtown SD high rise development for the next 5 years. high rise construction is toast downtown once Bosa and Pinnacle are done. Am I wrong?
You have the courthouse tower which is close to 500 feet on Broadway moving forward not sure how much it will stand out in skyline because its a bit hemmed in by other talls.

Still holding out hope for 7th and Market lets see if Cisterra can convince some investment group to come in and fund that sucker. They can say look its a huge project that will take 2.5 years to complete so in 2023 when we open things will be looking up

Who knows what will happen with Manchester Pacific Gateway he said he had financing to do the whole project and it was secured... Not sure how the ins and outs of development work so lets see on that.

Updates: Crane is up for the long anticipated second fathers Joe's Village "Tower" on Imperial close to MTS headquarters.

Streetlights: 29 floor tower F/15th St - still has no construction activity simply a cleared lot.

East Village Green: Wasn't construction supposed to be underway for that drove by yesterday and didn't see anything going on looks the same as always.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2020, 9:04 PM
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You have the courthouse tower which is close to 500 feet on Broadway moving forward not sure how much it will stand out in skyline because its a bit hemmed in by other talls.

Still holding out hope for 7th and Market lets see if Cisterra can convince some investment group to come in and fund that sucker. They can say look its a huge project that will take 2.5 years to complete so in 2023 when we open things will be looking up

Who knows what will happen with Manchester Pacific Gateway he said he had financing to do the whole project and it was secured... Not sure how the ins and outs of development work so lets see on that.

Updates: Crane is up for the long anticipated second fathers Joe's Village "Tower" on Imperial close to MTS headquarters.

Streetlights: 29 floor tower F/15th St - still has no construction activity simply a cleared lot.

East Village Green: Wasn't construction supposed to be underway for that drove by yesterday and didn't see anything going on looks the same as always.
Manchester did away with financing since it didn't work out for him, so he has tried to finance the project himself which built the first tower. If he starts on the rest of the project, it means he is able to fully pay for the project from his own holdings. Remain to be seen. East Village Green: Should be good. Cristerra: doubtful if he gets financing in this current cycle or ever be able to move forward. Court Tower? thought they just built the court tower. It may be Holland Partner's new high rise on C street. May have problem with the softening of residential market in SD and tightening up the capital market. Keep us posted on this project. It may still be built since Holland Partner is very aggressive.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2020, 4:57 AM
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I’m convinced 7th and Market is a cursed plot of land and will remain a surface lot for the next decade, at least.

That site has had so many big plans that have gone down in flames, it’s really sad because it’s a prime spot.

Years ago there was a large project slated to move forward but it got tied-up in some scandal with a city official and was subsequently abandoned

The cisterra plans were announced over 5 years ago, I remember the plans were announced BEFORE park/market, and now park/market is pretty much complete and 7th/Market has zero activity.

That stupid lawsuit really ruined it along with the timing of COVID-19.

The one thing I’m not sure about - does the city still own the land or does Cisterra own it now?
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2020, 6:07 PM
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Courthouse was demolished so I assumed Holland Project is moving forward there, has any announcement been made that it is not happening now?

Can someone site exactly what is going on with Manchester Pac Gate, I know its a bit confusing. So he had financing for entire project, then he rejected it because he crunched numbers and figured out it wouldn't work? He took enough to just build the Navy midrise, now he can either go back to Banks/Investors for a different financing mechanism or somehow self finance?

Do I have this correct, and all of this was made with an official announcement? They told the press that they have rejected the financing they had secured
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2020, 2:38 AM
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Courthouse was demolished so I assumed Holland Project is moving forward there, has any announcement been made that it is not happening now?

Can someone site exactly what is going on with Manchester Pac Gate, I know its a bit confusing. So he had financing for entire project, then he rejected it because he crunched numbers and figured out it wouldn't work? He took enough to just build the Navy midrise, now he can either go back to Banks/Investors for a different financing mechanism or somehow self finance?

Do I have this correct, and all of this was made with an official announcement? They told the press that they have rejected the financing they had secured
Yes, Manchester rejected financing, citing that it was too costly and too much strings attached to it. He built the Navy headquarters with a deal with the navy to move into the complex funded by the Navy. The road ends here for now. The Holland's court residential tower: ? maybe it's on hold due to declining rental market and relative glut of market rate apartments downtown. Maybe not: they may just have an upbeat take on it and still move forward, citing still severe housing shortage in the region and taking longer term approach.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2020, 7:52 PM
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Yes, Manchester rejected financing, citing that it was too costly and too much strings attached to it. He built the Navy headquarters with a deal with the navy to move into the complex funded by the Navy. The road ends here for now. The Holland's court residential tower: ? maybe it's on hold due to declining rental market and relative glut of market rate apartments downtown. Maybe not: they may just have an upbeat take on it and still move forward, citing still severe housing shortage in the region and taking longer term approach.
The thing that is really irritating about Manchester allowing just the Navy building to go up, is now we are stuck with that building. The Manchester project had a distinctive design to it and all the buildings were supposed to match this Art Deco-ish design. Now, if a different developer wanted to re-envision that entire site they’d have this Navy building to configure into any plans. Manchester really screwed-up this site which was the last major undeveloped waterfront site like this downtown.
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The thing that is really irritating about Manchester allowing just the Navy building to go up, is now we are stuck with that building. The Manchester project had a distinctive design to it and all the buildings were supposed to match this Art Deco-ish design. Now, if a different developer wanted to re-envision that entire site they’d have this Navy building to configure into any plans. Manchester really screwed-up this site which was the last major undeveloped waterfront site like this downtown.
Was it Manchester that screwed the site up, or was it the years of lawsuits, bureaucracy, NIMBYs, and other similar BS he had to deal with that ultimately screwed the site up? The project would have been completed long ago if it wasn't for all the city's shenanigans.
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Was it Manchester that screwed the site up, or was it the years of lawsuits, bureaucracy, NIMBYs, and other similar BS he had to deal with that ultimately screwed the site up? The project would have been completed long ago if it wasn't for all the city's shenanigans.
Lawsuits and NIMBYs screwed up 7th and Market, but I blame Manchester for what happened with his project. He didn’t have any lawsuits when he broke ground and claimed he had full funding, that’s what was reported in the press. He then knowingly built the Navy tower knowing the rest wasn’t going to happen. I remember someone on this forum trying to call his office to get info on the project when it seemed to have stalled and they were hung up on. He can’t blame COVID-19 either, this stuff happened before the pandemic.
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Was it Manchester that screwed the site up, or was it the years of lawsuits, bureaucracy, NIMBYs, and other similar BS he had to deal with that ultimately screwed the site up? The project would have been completed long ago if it wasn't for all the city's shenanigans.
All obstacles to the Manchester project had been cleared. According to a friend who is a city council member she believes Manchester lied when he stated he had the funding. He did originally, but he pulled out of that financing agreement as he didn’t like the terms. Then he said he’d use his own money. He should have never built the Navy building without being transparent with the city.

An no, this wasn’t Covid related. I knew this a while back, hence my call to Manchester Financial to inquire. That’s when I was hung up on.
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Lawsuits and NIMBYs screwed up 7th and Market, but I blame Manchester for what happened with his project. He didn’t have any lawsuits when he broke ground and claimed he had full funding, that’s what was reported in the press. He then knowingly built the Navy tower knowing the rest wasn’t going to happen. I remember someone on this forum trying to call his office to get info on the project when it seemed to have stalled and they were hung up on. He can’t blame COVID-19 either, this stuff happened before the pandemic.
I'm referring to the years of shenanigans which came before...and delayed...the groundbreaking. If it wasn't for all the BS opposition the project would have been completed long ago.
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I'm referring to the years of shenanigans which came before...and delayed...the groundbreaking. If it wasn't for all the BS opposition the project would have been completed long ago.
In all reality he didn’t have the financing then either. MFG was spending their time on suits/etc., they didn’t have the financing at that time as they wanted to wait until all obstacles had been remedied before finalizing financing.

Once those obstacles were cleared he then built the Navy building then halted the rest. This was all pre-Covid.
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