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Old Posted Mar 12, 2018, 3:20 PM
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^^^ Also in that map, the hospitality lot would be a really good tallest as well. I remember there was something supposed to happen with that lot.

Another vote for a new tallest would be the 200 E Main lot, that one would be perfect for just a slim apt tower with of course some retail on the bottom all the way around with a building/garage/ entrance on the Travis side.
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^^ I'd put the tower portion on the Travis side because it would be adjacent to the shorter end of the Embassy Suites. (Maybe that's what you meant.) I'd put the garage entrance/exit directly across the street from the Embassy Suite's garage because that street is already ruined as far as pedestrian traffic goes. May as well go for broke. And of course as much ground level retail as possible everywhere else.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2018, 3:42 PM
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^^ I'd put the tower portion on the Travis side because it would be adjacent to the shorter end of the Embassy Suites. (Maybe that's what you meant.) I'd put the garage entrance/exit directly across the street from the Embassy Suite's garage because that street is already ruined as far as pedestrian traffic goes. May as well go for broke. And of course as much ground level retail as possible everywhere else.
Yes! I didn't even think of that, especially now that it's opening as a two way street soon.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2018, 4:00 PM
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I'd also include a smaller residential segment on the south end opposite the Rand building because the Rand building deserves it, then have the pool/garden on the garage roof between the two buildings. And it would NOT be an all glass building. It would have red/burnt orange brick with white trim, nice balconies and a beveled crown... or some other thoughtful design that isn't a glass box.
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As someone has mentioned, why do we keep comparing ourselves to Austin? Is it purely that it is close. People keep talking about Austin like everything going on there is great. San Antonio has a history like few cities west of the Mississippi. There is no town in Texas, that could have a place like the Pearl. There is a lot of history, we should do a better job of embracing it.

As for a tall building in San Antonio, I just hope that we don't get something like Oklahoma City. The Devon Tower is beautiful, but it completely obliterates the rest of their downtown. There is no harmony. San Antonio is a slow growing city, so we should use that to our advantage. If we do get a tall building, it needs to be able to blend in better with the skyline. We should take our time and get it right. There is a parking lot at Broadway and 3rd that I think would be a great place for a tall building. Coming from the airport, it would sit nicely in the middle of the skyline. It would bookend the business district with the Frost Tower on the west and this one on the east. It would help to frame in Travis Park and give it a little more life and purpose. It would look great come down Broadway, and it would look great behind the Christmas tree if they keep it in Travis Park.

Those are my thoughts...
Yep, I agree so much with this. I really don't think SA's tallest should be some boring blue glass thing. Frost is great because it's not super tall and adds variety.

SA's colors seem to be Red, purple, yellow, and a Brown....
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Downtown should be a place of tall buildings and unique architecture and prominence of a healthy and active commerce. I can see, while driving north on I 35, the high-rises of Austin from thirty miles away, similar to Houston, at which its highrises can be seen from 50 miles away. Coming back to San Antonio (south on i35) and what do you get? The sight of a restaurant at around 600ft and a long square next to it, that it.
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I think the best view/drive going into any downtown in Texas is the twisting down hill drive along 281. Twisting down 281 and then downtown pops out right in front of you as you hook the corner past Hildebrand.
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I think the best view/drive going into any downtown in Texas is the twisting down hill drive along 281. Twisting down 281 and then downtown pops out right in front of you as you hook the corner past Hildebrand.
I TOTALLY AGREE 100%!!!

AWESOME SAN ANTONIO SKYLINE VIEW DRIVING SOUTH ON 281!!!
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I think the best view/drive going into any downtown in Texas is the twisting down hill drive along 281. Twisting down 281 and then downtown pops out right in front of you as you hook the corner past Hildebrand.
I love this view as well. I grew up by North Star Mall. We would always take 281, or Broadway to go downtown. I love the ways it makes me feel like I am in the hill country. Then as you pass the cut-through near Trinity, it opens up to see downtown. Best view coming into a downtown in Texas.

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There is a parking lot at Broadway and 3rd that I think would be a great place for a tall building.
That lot is owned by St Mark's. There was talk a few years ago of building a parking garage wrapped with residential but that fizzled. I agree it would make a good spot for a tall building, but on the Broadway side. I like the idea of two buildings, with the shorter one next to the park and the small structures to the north.

But I don't think that lot will be developed at all anytime soon. I think there's a much better chance of the lot a block south, on the east side of Travis Park being developed soon (which is owned by the St Anthony, iirc. Lotta lot-owning saints in these here parts).



Also, keep an ear out for news about the Cavender properties a few blocks further up Broadway. Now that Graystreet seems intent on blowing up the ceiling on Broadway, maybe that will inspire the planning for the impending redevelopment of the old Cavender car dealerships.
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I love this view as well. I grew up by North Star Mall. We would always take 281, or Broadway to go downtown. I love the ways it makes me feel like I am in the hill country. Then as you pass the cut-through near Trinity, it opens up to see downtown. Best view coming into a downtown in Texas.

Approaching downtown Pittsburgh has a great view coming out of the Fort Pitt Tunnel. (start at 1:00).
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And Los Angeles:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0713...7i13312!8i6656
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Approaching downtown Pittsburgh has a great view coming out of the Fort Pitt Tunnel. (start at 1:00).
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And Los Angeles:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0713...7i13312!8i6656
Love Pittsburgh, such an underrated city!

That looks like some sweet ass LA traffic to sit in. Nice view of downtown LA, but the constant bumper to bumper traffic ruins any kind of driving experience. My brother lives in Santa Ana currently and used to live in Santa Monica. It amazed me how many people live in the LA area and NEVER visit downtown LA because of the traffic.
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That area at Broadway and 3rd is really prime for some great buildings. Actually right around Travis Park in general there are a bunch of great lots with potential for amazing buildings. I drew an outline around some of the ones that immediately come to mind. I think doing that would also help to connect Travis Park with the Tobin:


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At least there's a San Antonio thread that's active. Too bad it's about an imaginary subject. But at least there are a few more downtown projects that are about to become real, so I'm looking forward to enthusiastic activity on those.
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2018, 2:21 PM
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That area at Broadway and 3rd is really prime for some great buildings. Actually right around Travis Park in general there are a bunch of great lots with potential for amazing buildings. I drew an outline around some of the ones that immediately come to mind. I think doing that would also help to connect Travis Park with the Tobin:
I liked that lot just East of Travis Park. The only concern I would have is the two buildings along Broadway. The ones pushed right up next to each other.

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4279...7i13312!8i6656

They are great buildings prime for redevelopment. I think a super tall building right there would drown those buildings out. Not that I would say no to a 40+ story building. I think that something about the massing of Jefferson Bank on the other side would be a good size. Maybe something with a light and airy build. Maybe something like the Hixon/Cavendar Building.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=230030

Not totally right for that space, but I think something along those lines would be nice. That third existing building along the Broadway side could be mowed down for all I care.

I really like that lot between Martin and Taylor. I agree, Travis and the Tobin should be more connected. Problem is that you would not want to overpower the Maverick Carter House just to the north. A large building would block the observatory on the roof. I think 3-4 stories max. That would help to preserve some of our history. Maybe something residential with retail along the Martin side and a restaurant/wine/coffee along Jefferson street.

That space at Broadway and 3rd is more tricky than I originally thought. You would have to do 2 buildings. I would think the taller building would need to be on the east end. Then something smaller and more in scale with the Travis park buildings.

I also noticed these lots today. There are some prime spots at E. Martin and the river.

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4309.../data=!3m1!1e3

I think imaginations could run wild with these spots. Not to mention it is in the middle of the business district.

Just some more of my thoughts. I have to admit, I love this thread.
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I am loving all these ideas! Damn, something around 40 floors anywhere on Jefferson would not only be a extremely prominent, but a huge game changer for the main core. Thinking of a neo Tower Life style project over there with a sharp spire

I'm so glad y'all are humoring me with all this...haha. Now we just need to lure some developers and architects. Maybe Gensler moved to lurking the SA threads over Austin.....
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I am loving all these ideas! Damn, something around 40 floors anywhere on Jefferson would not only be a extremely prominent, but a huge game changer for the main core. Thinking of a neo Tower Life style project over there with a sharp spire

I'm so glad y'all are humoring me with all this...haha. Now we just need to lure some developers and architects. Maybe Gensler moved to lurking the SA threads over Austin.....
I have an acquaintance, also on facebook, that works for Gensler over there. I don't know he knows it's me though. I know he loves SA... maybe one day they'll get a design down here.
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I am loving all these ideas! Damn, something around 40 floors anywhere on Jefferson would not only be a extremely prominent, but a huge game changer for the main core. Thinking of a neo Tower Life style project over there with a sharp spire

I'm so glad y'all are humoring me with all this...haha. Now we just need to lure some developers and architects. Maybe Gensler moved to lurking the SA threads over Austin.....

That is so crazy. I thought that the east end of that lot was crying out for a hexagon base building like tower life. I have always loved that building.
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I have an acquaintance, also on facebook, that works for Gensler over there. I don't know he knows it's me though. I know he loves SA... maybe one day they'll get a design down here.
The project at 1603 Broadway is Gensler.
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The project at 1603 Broadway is Gensler.
Interesting! Now I can't wait for Monday when they release the details.
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Gensler can be impressive, but their popularity in many cities often makes their non-signature projects look like something I would expect in any other city...especially in Austin. Austin's skyline growth is impressive in speed and scale, but the individual buildings themselves are rather nondescript and boring. Of course, our skyline is far more woefully lacking in handsome modern buildings, and I'll happily take a Gensler tower, but there will always be a nagging sense of placeless conventionalism.

An odd familiarity occurred to me while looking at Fukuoka's famously green ACROS Fukuoka Prefectural International Hall, and I have only now learned what it was that I was seeing. ACROS Fukuoka with its green "hanging gardens" terraces and glass atrium was designed by architect Emilio Ambasz, who also designed the lushly green glass domes of the Lucile Halsell Conservatory of our own San Antonio Botanical Garden.





From what I can tell, Emilio Ambasz has not designed a built tall skyscraper, and I don't know what one would look like if he did, but if he were to do one in San Antonio, it would likely truly be unlike any other building in Texas. In conjunction with the botanical gardens, it could perhaps suggest a modern style for San Antonio that could play into some of the best elements of our downtown, such as the Riverwalk, Alamo gardens, or even the sunken gardens, while also being radically distinct from the more banal and conventional modernism of Austin, Dallas, and Houston.

Imagine Travis Park being extended skyward! A vertical riverwalk!

But, if not, then a Shin Takamatsu or Sir Norman Foster tower would be cool. We are very lucky to have already gotten Cesar Pelli.
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