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Old Posted Feb 22, 2007, 2:58 PM
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With this comparaison you can see why Paris should absorb it inner suburbs.
Paris the second most populated urban area in europe (First in U.E)
but within city limit Paris is the 5th city of E.U and it is the smallest big city in size. (Only 87 km2)

With inner suburbs Paris will become the second most populated city in E.U (third in Europe). It will not become the largest in size (always smaller than London Moscow Rome or Berlin about the size of Hambourg ).
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2007, 7:26 AM
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Do you have a map? (with scale)
Not really, but what about programs like Google Earth or Local Live???

This pic gives a pretty good idea about it's size although much of the suburbs blends into the green nature..



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If you can be more specific about your needs I might be able to help...


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CPH should be interesting with a "hole" in it for Frederiksberg, just like some American cities
Howcome a hole?

Copenhagen is made up of many municipals - each with it's own city hall.. so if you take out the small municipal of Frederiksberg you might as well leave out all the suburbs and just use the downtown ( "Copenhagen City" ) area that is "Copenhagen Municipal" ( pop 502.000 )... it would however be FAR from the real urban area!

At January 1st there was a lot of changes in the structure here in Denmark - we stopped using counties and switzed to regions instead... many municipals was also joined...

Copenhagen City that used to be seperat along with Frederiksberg from Copenhagen county is now all joined into one metro-county-like system called: "Region Hovedstaden" ("The Capital Region" )

The region is made up by 29 municipals ( 1 being the island of Bornholm, the rest is a great part of the Copenhagen metro and some of Northern Zealand )

The regions...


As you can see the Copenhagen Metro have been cut in two and parts like Køge and Roskilde is now in the "Region Sjælland" ( "The Zealand Region" )

It's ridicules imo - but was aperently done to keep the economy equal as these new Regions are in change of the hospitals and other service like that - and while the rest of Zealand is far from poor it's no match for the "C-Dot"

Anyway political lines aside the metro is fairly big due to the love of sprawl that dominated from the 60s to the late 80s ( and to some degree continues even to this day... )

What excactly goes into the Metro is despurtable as we have several ways of messuring it ( municipals, urban area, economic influence and what not.. )

My own view of it is pretty much the same as Emporis's so instead of writing it - I'll just quote them:

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Copenhagen Metropolitan Area

Copenhagen Metropolitan Area consists of the enclave suburb of Frederiksberg, which is entirely surrounded by the borders of Copenhagen, and all the municipalities in the 3 counties of Københavns Amt, Frederiksborg Amt and Roskilde Amt.

These 50 municipalities are also a part of the Øresund Region, the other half being on the Swedish side of Øresund. This area, connected by the Øresund Bridge, is the most populated in Scandinavia with more than 3,000,000 inhabitants.


Population
1,819,381

Metro Cities
Albertslund, Allerød, Ballerup, Birkerød, Bramsnæs, Brøndby, Copenhagen, Dragør, Farum, Fredensborg-Humlebæk, Frederiksberg, Frederikssund, Frederiksværk, Gentofte, Gladsaxe, Glostrup, Græsted-Gilleleje, Greve, Gundsø, Helsinge, Helsingør, Herlev, Hillerød, Høje-Taastrup, Hørsholm, Hundested, Hvalsø, Hvidovre, Ishøj, Jægerspris, Karlebo, Køge, Ledøje-Smørum, Lejre, Lyngby-Tårbæk, Ølstykke, Ramsø, Rødovre, Roskilde, Skævinge, Skibby, Skovbo, Slangerup, Søllerød, Solrød, Stenløse, Tårnby, Værløse, Vallensbæk, Vallø.
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/me/?id=100365
However like every other large city we do ofcause draw people in from outside of the metro area... here's a map of that:

( colour = % of population working within the yellow lines )



Notice that Sweden is not illustrated in the map - around 12.000 cars and 20.000 train passengers cross the Øresunds Bridge daily - so we do also get a fair share from that side... ( many Danes reside there as both houses and cars are cheaper and the driving time to Downtown CPH is shorter than from some of the Danish suburbs.. )

Well - enough from me about Copenhagen... it should give you good folks an idea...

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Old Posted Feb 25, 2007, 12:02 PM
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It is crazy that Brussels, that is the capital of EU, is not on the list. I know that there is another way to count Brussels city population, so the city actually have 700 000 inhabitants.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2007, 1:07 PM
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It is crazy that Brussels, that is the capital of EU, is not on the list. I know that there is another way to count Brussels city population, so the city actually have 700 000 inhabitants.
Brussel city has some 144.784 inhabitants but the city is a part of 19 other communities who is known as Brussels aswell aka "Brussel Gewest" , on the other hand the urban area of Brussels is very spread out over 3 different regions.
A rather confusing situation as anything else in Belgium

A map with the 19 communities (Brussel City is nr.2) : surface 161,38 km² & inhabitants 1.018.804 (01/01/2006)



Brussel city: surface 32,61 km² & 144.784 (01/01/2006)



Demographic evolution:



Location of Brussels in Belgium:



Map from 1745 of the city of Brussels before the annexations that occured centuries later, this area is also known as the "Vijfhoek" which means "5 corners"



On this map the location of the "Vijfhoek" can be located where "Bruxelles 1000 Brussel" is written down:


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Old Posted Feb 26, 2007, 4:59 PM
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Brussels Capital Region = Brussels in the same way Greater London = London.
By all practical purposes Brussels has 1 million inhabitants in the city proper.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2007, 2:55 AM
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I agree with Shiro on this. If Greater London is treated as a city proper, then Brussels Capital should be treated as a city proper too. The communes inside Brussels Capital are more like arrondissements or boroughs, and not really cities. With 1,018,029 inhabitants in 2006, Brussels ranks 16 in our list of city propers.
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All 19 communities in Brussels have their own mayor , is this the same case in London ?
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2007, 10:08 AM
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All 19 communities in Brussels have their own mayor , is this the same case in London ?
Yes, all the London boroughs have their own mayors. The odd one out is the City of London (note City of, not London as a whole) which has a Lord Mayor.

To be really technical, London is made up of 31/32 boroughs, the City of London and the City of Westminster. The City of London tends to do its own thing, but works with the other boroughs and London as a whole.

To complicate matters further, there are the Inns of Court - judicial enclaves.

London's political makeup is very interesting, unique and fragmented.
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2007, 12:29 PM
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Paris


limite de departement : departments border
Ceinture vert : green belt
Parc naturel regional : Regional natural reserve
Coeur d'agglomeration : core of urban area
agglomeration central : the rest of urban area (real suburbs)
autres agglomerations : other urban areas (Metro area)
espace rural : rural area

You can see that the core is bigger than the municipality of Paris
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Europe:


Moscow:


Madrid:


Rome:


Warsaw:
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Amsterdam:


Brussels:


Copenhagen:
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2007, 8:34 PM
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Europe:
This map show why cities municipality are wrong to make comparaison.
In this map Madrid is more populated than Paris
Lyon is as populated than Paris (This wrong in this case Lyon =450,000 inhabitants only)
Rome, Athenes, Berlin, Barcelone and St Petersbourg are more popluted than Paris.

but this city isn't the second most populated urban area (After Moscow) and the third most populated metropolitain area (After Moscow and London) in Europe ?

Municipality limit show a wrong idea about Paris size and Paris population

My last map show that the core of Paris urban area is bigger than the municipaly of Paris and has about 6 million inhabitants

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limite de departement : departments border
Ceinture vert : green belt
Parc naturel regional : Regional natural reserve
Coeur d'agglomeration : core of urban area
agglomeration central : the rest of urban area (real suburbs)
autres agglomerations : other urban areas (Include in Paris of Metro area)
espace rural : rural area
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Isn't Lyon densier populated than Paris ?
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Awesome maps!
Where did you find them?
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Isn't Lyon densier populated than Paris ?
No Paris is densier than Lyon

Paris municipality = 2,150,000 25,000 inh/km2
Core of Paris Urban area = 6,000,000 inh 10,000 inh/km2

Lyon municipalty = 450,000 10,000 inh/km2
Inner Lyon = 600,000 9,000 inh/km2
Greater Lyon = 1,200,000 2,300 inh/km2
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London is the most populous city in the European Union[6] with an official population of 7.5 million. It has a metropolitan area population of between 12 and 15 million, depending on the varying definitions used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London

Paris has an estimated population of 2,153,600 inhabitants within city limits (2005 est.).[2] The Paris urban area has a population of 9.93 million;[3] a vast commuter belt around the same completes the Paris "aire urbaine" (roughly: "metropolitan area") that, with its population of 11.5 million,[4] is one of the most populated areas of its kind in Europe.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris

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Old Posted Mar 6, 2007, 8:51 PM
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Those numbers was in 1999
Now It is 10 million inhabitants* for urban area and 12 million metro area* in 2005

* Only the area of 1999 with the population of 2005 It may be higher because the urbanisation and the growth of the size of metro area.

As you see in the Paris map. Paris like London has a also green belt but less inhabitants live outside.
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2007, 4:05 PM
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I have the estimation of the population of the core Paris urban area
In this map Core of urban area = Coeur de l'agglomeration
6,718,400 inhabitants (2005)
728 km²
9,229 inh/km²
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