SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[embora]

Yesterday evening I saw construction fencing around the site bound by 11th and Park on the north side of F Street. I think that would be for the F11 development:

7-Story Mixed-Use Development OK’d in East Village
Posted by Chris Jennewein on March 4, 2015 in Business

Civic San Diego, the city-owned development arm, has approved a seven-story project of luxury apartments and stores in the emerging I.D.E.A. district in the East Village.

The F11 development by the Richman Group of California on the north side of F Street between 11th Avenue and Park Boulevard will include 99 apartments and 5,600 square feet of street-level commercial space. The mixed-use development includes exercise facilities and a bowling alley.


http://timesofsandiego.com/business/...-east-village/

[SDCAL]

Originally Posted by eburress

Oooooh, I like it! Stylish and better-looking/lasting materials than the typical lazy, ugly stucco turd that's built around here.

I agree - this seems like the type of building that will age well and still be stylish and sturdy 2 decades from now

[SDCAL]

As excited as I am about the IDEA District projects starting to break ground, I am pretty disappointed in the heights or lack thereof. I know I and others have bitched ad nauseam about the height limits downtown, but with each wave of building booms we get I can't help to think of the missed opportunities of having some true skyscrapers here. When I drive into downtown on the 5, I see huge flags atop buildings as well as the cranes at the new courthouse which appear to be taller than OAP that's at the 500ft maximum. If >500ft structures pose such a flight risk, then why are the cranes and flags allowed to go over it??

Speaking of height disappointments, The Rey is really disappointing. The building itself looks nice, but it's significantly shorter than Vantage Point and the financial buildings surrounding it. I was hoping it would add some bulk to the financial district skyline, but instead it looks more like a stubby infill

[The Flying Dutchman]

Interesting article (mostly stuff we've all heard before) on malls, notably UTC and Horton Plaza. Of note: Horton Plaza mall downtown could undergo a 300 million dollar renovation as soon as next year for a 2019 completion.

"Corti said various concepts for the 31-year-old ['Horton'] mall are being considered, including rebuilding the project with hotel, office and residential uses on top of reconfigured retail levels. He estimated the redevelopment cost at $300 million and said a construction start date is possible next year for completion by 2019, although a company spokesman said those details are still in flux."

"[Corti] said he’s going to Las Vegas next week for the annual International Council of Shopping Centers convention to talk up Horton Plaza’s redevelopment. A projected record 40,000 delegates are attending — further evidence that malls aren’t dead."

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...stfield-kimco/

[JerellO]

Originally Posted by The Flying Dutchman

Interesting article (mostly stuff we've all heard before) on malls, notably UTC and Horton Plaza. Of note: Horton Plaza mall downtown could undergo a 300 million dollar renovation as soon as next year for a 2019 completion.

"Corti said various concepts for the 31-year-old ['Horton'] mall are being considered, including rebuilding the project with hotel, office and residential uses on top of reconfigured retail levels. He estimated the redevelopment cost at $300 million and said a construction start date is possible next year for completion by 2019, although a company spokesman said those details are still in flux."

"[Corti] said he’s going to Las Vegas next week for the annual International Council of Shopping Centers convention to talk up Horton Plaza’s redevelopment. A projected record 40,000 delegates are attending — further evidence that malls aren’t dead."

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...stfield-kimco/

I like the maze-like feel of Horton Plaza on the inside.. It has a sort of European feel to it, especially with the architecture... What I think the city should do is just open up the ground floor spaces out and spilling onto the streets. A great example to look at would be DTLA's former Macy's Plaza which was built as a fortress as well but is now currently being redeveloped into a more pedestrian oriented space called The Bloc with shops opening up to the outside and also letting natural light in.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Horton has its charms, to be sure. $300 million is a lot, and will likely mean tearing down structures and maybe even connecting F St. again. For comparison, Ballpark Village is a $250 million project, and the Ritz/Cisterra deal is $400 million.

It WOULD be nice if F St. and G St. both connected all the way to Harbor Dr., to match up with Manchester Pacific Gateway (which is definitely connecting F and G Streets).

[nezbn22]

Originally Posted by The Flying Dutchman

Horton has its charms, to be sure. $300 million is a lot, and will likely mean tearing down structures and maybe even connecting F St. again. For comparison, Ballpark Village is a $250 million project, and the Ritz/Cisterra deal is $400 million.

It WOULD be nice if F St. and G St. both connected all the way to Harbor Dr., to match up with Manchester Pacific Gateway (which is definitely connecting F and G Streets).

The biggest problem with opening F St. all the way to Harbor is that you'd have to cut through the two condo complexes surrounding Pantoja Park between State and Kettner. Pacific Gateway will open up E, F, and G within its complex, but G is your only hope for an uninterrupted passage continuing across downtown.

[SDCAL]

Originally Posted by The Flying Dutchman

Horton has its charms, to be sure. $300 million is a lot, and will likely mean tearing down structures and maybe even connecting F St. again. For comparison, Ballpark Village is a $250 million project, and the Ritz/Cisterra deal is $400 million.

It WOULD be nice if F St. and G St. both connected all the way to Harbor Dr., to match up with Manchester Pacific Gateway (which is definitely connecting F and G Streets).

I think this project would need to spend big and tear down structures in order to be successful; otherwise it would just be slapping some superficial improvements to a fortress that needs to be opened-up. I think something more modern and airy that has more of a unified design concept would be cool, as opposed to the hodge-podge that exists now. I see lots of glass at street level to open it up and help it assimilate into the surrounding urban fabric. I think it would need to be a pretty significant gut-job to get it right. I went to UTC for the first time in like 4 or 5 years the other day and they did a pretty good job with that revamp. I realize UTC and HP are totally different in location, design, surrounding areas, etc, but I think Westfield has the finances and capability to transform HP. They have large projects all over the world they are doing in their key locations, including a huge project in NYC at the WTC .

[JPAztec]

Link for the Turner Construction Cam. Quite the project, and easy to see why it's moving along slowly compared to Pacific Gateway, they got out of the ground around the same time. This site is huge.

http://www.workzonecam.com/projects/...ge/workzonecam

[Nerv]

Does anyone know what the current plans (if any) are for the land which is currently a parking lot and in front of the Ballpark Village project going towards Harbor drive?

I know in the past I saw a couple of high rises suggested on that site in some renderings but is anything looking like a go in the near future?

It's a prime lot tucked in a place that screams build.

[sandiego_urban]

Originally Posted by The Flying Dutchman

Interesting article (mostly stuff we've all heard before) on malls, notably UTC and Horton Plaza. Of note: Horton Plaza mall downtown could undergo a 300 million dollar renovation as soon as next year for a 2019 completion.

"Corti said various concepts for the 31-year-old ['Horton'] mall are being considered, including rebuilding the project with hotel, office and residential uses on top of reconfigured retail levels. He estimated the redevelopment cost at $300 million and said a construction start date is possible next year for completion by 2019, although a company spokesman said those details are still in flux."

"[Corti] said he’s going to Las Vegas next week for the annual International Council of Shopping Centers convention to talk up Horton Plaza’s redevelopment. A projected record 40,000 delegates are attending — further evidence that malls aren’t dead."

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...stfield-kimco/

It's about time the mall re-invented itself. The firm that provided renderings for Horton Plaza Park has a single rendering of the mall as viewed from the park. Works for me.



http://www.ttgcorp.com/home/markets/horton-plaza-park/

[sandiego_urban]

Originally Posted by Nerv

Does anyone know what the current plans (if any) are for the land which is currently a parking lot and in front of the Ballpark Village project going towards Harbor drive?

I know in the past I saw a couple of high rises suggested on that site in some renderings but is anything looking like a go in the near future?

It's a prime lot tucked in a place that screams build.

Renderings of the recent Chargers stadium proposals show twin towers on the site. I'm guessing it's another hotel?

[mello]

That lot is set to be the JMI (John Moores) mega hotel. 1600 rooms two 500 ft towers. I read an article in the UT two months ago that said they plan to break ground on it by 1st Quarter 2017 whether or not the Convadium passes.

Speaking of breaking ground I really hope BOSA's other tower next to Pacific Gate across Broadway gets going before the next recession hits. That one will really complete an impressive cluster of towers along Pac Hwy and Kettner kind of a mini Miami/Vancouver type row of highrises.

[regboi30]

Off topic but I think that the property (Office Depot) on 825 W E St, San Diego, CA 92101 Pacific Hwy should be demolished for future high rise development. It looks out of place or suburban for the surrounding area whatever development that takes place there Office Depot could be located elsewhere or be included into the groundfloor retail of the future development.

[dtell04]

Does anyone know what happened to 15th and Island tower 2? It would be a huge bummer if that one didn't get built.

[nezbn22]

Originally Posted by regboi30

Off topic but I think that the property (Office Depot) on 825 W E St, San Diego, CA 92101 Pacific Hwy should be demolished for future high rise development. It looks out of place or suburban for the surrounding area whatever development that takes place there Office Depot could be located elsewhere or be included into the groundfloor retail of the future development.

That's another lot owned by Bosa. At some point, he'll put a tower on that property. But unfortunately, there are no imminent plans. For the foreseeable future, we're probably going to have to live with that dingy Office Depot.

[SDCAL]

Originally Posted by mello

That lot is set to be the JMI (John Moores) mega hotel. 1600 rooms two 500 ft towers. I read an article in the UT two months ago that said they plan to break ground on it by 1st Quarter 2017 whether or not the Convadium passes.

Speaking of breaking ground I really hope BOSA's other tower next to Pacific Gate across Broadway gets going before the next recession hits. That one will really complete an impressive cluster of towers along Pac Hwy and Kettner kind of a mini Miami/Vancouver type row of highrises.

The project I'm most anticipating is the Ritz-Whole Foods. It's been an eyesore surface parking lot so long. I also see TONS of hotels being built, I hope that one can get off the ground soon. Anyone have info on when this one is scheduled to groundbreak?

[nezbn22]

Originally Posted by SDCAL

The project I'm most anticipating is the Ritz-Whole Foods. It's been an eyesore surface parking lot so long. I also see TONS of hotels being built, I hope that one can get off the ground soon. Anyone have info on when this one is scheduled to groundbreak?

It needs to go back before city council to approve the sale of the property (they've been negotiating since December I think) before they can do anything. Get ready for some super heavy political pressure from labor unions to shut the sale down unless whole foods and ritz agree to hire union employees. If city council screws this up, I'm gonna lose my mind.

[SDCAL]

Originally Posted by nezbn22

It needs to go back before city council to approve the sale of the property (they've been negotiating since December I think) before they can do anything. Get ready for some super heavy political pressure from labor unions to shut the sale down unless whole foods and ritz agree to hire union employees. If city council screws this up, I'm gonna lose my mind.

I thought they cleared that hurdle back in December? I remember it being in the news. Any idea on when the council is set to hear it again?

[RST500]

Originally Posted by sandiego_urban

It's about time the mall re-invented itself. The firm that provided renderings for Horton Plaza Park has a single rendering of the mall as viewed from the park. Works for me.



http://www.ttgcorp.com/home/markets/horton-plaza-park/

That's really awful. Looks like the typical sterile malls that have been built the last decade. Horton Plaza is a unique place and must be preserved.