Illinois approves a new casino in City of Chicago - Page 2

chris08876 · #21 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 1:20 AM**

NJ should capitalize on it (Hudson/Essex/Bergan County). All prime areas for Casinos. I know there are opponents for it, especially Atlantic City, but to be fair, any sort of resorts in North NJ would kill money wise. Business I'd imagine would be very, very high, and help the NJ coffers as well.

Might as well build it next to American Dream mall, this way folks can shop, gamble, and than go watch a Devils game.

JManc · #22 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 6:51 AM**

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No, it was Cuomo. He has refused to allow table games within proximity of the city for fear the Catskills/Upstate casinos would be harmed. Resorts World is the highest grossing casino in the U.S. and I believe Empire City is second. Neither have table games.

The native casinos in NY State aren't really in the same market. Their big casinos are in Central/Western NY State.

NYS has never been keen on the casino business and fought the Indians forever with their casinos. The only concession the Indians had to make were no slot machines and instead had the type where you insert a card. This was in the early 90's when the tech was fairly new.

As for casinos upstate, not uncommon to see folks from downstate pissing away their life savings at Turning Stone.

Kenmore · #23 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 11:01 AM**

casinos are trash

the urban politician · #24 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 12:50 PM**

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. Resorts World is the highest grossing casino in the U.S. and I believe Empire City is second.

Once again, you are completely wrong.

The highest grossing US casino is the Wynn in Las Vegas:

https://www.thebalanceeveryday.com/b...evenue-4588001

Sun Belt · #25 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 1:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by maru2501

illinois will be the only state other than nevada with fully legal weed and gambling?

Most states with recreational marijuana have casinos -- California had both before Nevada for instance.

I'm surprised Chicago doesn't already have a casino. Casinos, card rooms have been in most cities I've lived in and I just made the assumption Chicago/land had it too.

Steely Dan · #26 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 1:25 PM**

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I'm surprised Chicago doesn't already have a casino. Casinos, card rooms have been in most cities I've lived in and I just made the assumption Chicago/land had it too.

chicagoLAND has had casinos for decades, but they're all relatively small affairs (1,200 stations) out in the burbs that mainly cater to the local market.

this new casino license is a much bigger deal because it's the first one that's been given to the city proper.

and with 4,000 stations, it's also MUCH bigger than any other casino license illinois has ever granted before. this will be the 1st vegas-scale casino in illinois.

all expectations are that it will go somewhere in the greater downtown area to siphon money out of the wallets of chicago's tens of millions of annual visitors.

Via Chicago · #27 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 2:46 PM**

i dont have a strong opinion about a casino going in either way. but like the lottery and like legalized slots/video poker machines, this will ultimately wind up being a poor tax. i dont think casinos in general reflect well on the municipalities that sponsor them, and any city i can think of with extensive gambling typically dosent conjure positive connotations. their presence hooks those most vulnerable and least able to actually afford the discretionary expenditure, which simply saddles society down-funnel in other significant costs.

Steely Dan · #28 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 2:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Via Chicago

i dont have a strong opinion about a casino going in either way. but like the lottery and like legalized slots/video poker machines, this will ultimately wind up being a poor tax.

generally true.

in this specific case though, if they can dovetail this thing in with mccormick place to go after the throngs of conventioneers, then this could be a pretty decent tool to bring in some outsider money as well.

the slots slated for ORD and MDW are also focused on outsider money as well.

the urban politician · #29 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 2:52 PM**

^ Agree. If we put this thing in Englewood it would probably cause a lot of social problems.

Having it downtown, particularly adjacent to McCormick, is the best shot at getting out of town money

Via Chicago · #30 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 2:55 PM**

i hope with ORD/MDW they keep them discreetly out of the way and in their own sections. and not the way vegas or other airports do it, with them spilling out near boarding gates, baggage claims, arrivals...basically everywhere

airports are the first, sometimes only, opportunity people have to judge a city. we're putting all this time and thought into creating a new beautiful international terminal designed to make people feel at ease and comfort during transit, paired with architecture befitting a world class city and then we're just going to go fill them with the ambiance of a cheap tawdry casino? i definitely hope not.

edale · #31 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 4:34 PM**

Everywhere has casinos now. I doubt people will travel to Chicago just to go to this casino, though some visitors may choose to include a stop in their trip to Chicago. In the midwest alone, you can go to nice, big downtown casinos in Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Milwaukee...

Steely Dan · #32 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 4:37 PM**

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Everywhere has casinos now. I doubt people will travel to Chicago just to go to this casino, though some visitors may choose to include a stop in their trip to Chicago.

this casino is not about getting people to come to chicago. it's about extracting more money from the wallets of the tens of millions of people who ALREADY come to chicago every year.

the half dozen or so existing casinos that we have out in the burbs don't really do that.

but a new flashy giant downtown casino will.

JManc · #33 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 4:41 PM**

If I lived in Chicago, I would not want a shitty casino. They reek of hopelessness and cigarette smoke.

If you guys are going to do one, convert that doomed James R. Thompson Center into one full of nothing but noisy slot machines with competing jingles and bells.

edale · #34 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 4:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

this casino is not about getting people to come to chicago. it's about extracting more money from the wallets of the tens of millions of people who ALREADY come to chicago every year.

I literally said that in my post?

Steely Dan · #35 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 4:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by JManc

If I lived in Chicago, I would not want a shitty casino. They reek of hopelessness and cigarette smoke.

illinois casinos are smoke-free under the state's stringent smoking ban.

as for the hopelessness, i don't think that can be legislated away.

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If you guys are going to do one, convert that doomed James R. Thompson Center into one full of nothing but noisy slot machines with competing jingles and bells.

you're not the first person to suggest using that old white elephant.

maru2501 · #36 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 4:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

chicagoLAND has had casinos for decades, but they're all relatively small affairs (1,200 stations) out in the burbs that mainly cater to the local market.

this new casino license is a much bigger deal because it's the first one that's been given to the city proper.

and with 4,000 stations, it's also MUCH bigger than any other casino license illinois has ever granted before. this will be the 1st vegas-scale casino in illinois.

all expectations are that it will go somewhere in the greater downtown area to siphon money out of the wallets of chicago's tens of millions of annual visitors.

maybe it's the only city outside Nevada with both.. read it but can't locate

it will be funny to see what theme they choose. The obvious answer would be roaring 20s, just bleach Capone out of the wall murals

JManc · #37 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 4:58 PM**

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illinois casinos are smoke-free under the state's stringent smoking ban.

A non-smoking casino?

Steely Dan · #38 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 PM**

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A non-smoking casino?

yes, illinois has one of the tougher smoking bans in the nation.

it might have even been the 1st state to 100% ban smoking inside casinos.

it was a big deal at the time when the law was passed. the casinos said the smoking ban would put them out of business.

but here we are over a decade later and illinois' casinos are doing just fine.

it turns out, people like to gamble even more than they like to smoke.

dave8721 · #39 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 5:38 PM**

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A non-smoking casino?

Most casinos i've been to in South Florida are non-smoking (or at least mostly non-smoking). Almost always non-smoking in the card room portions, some casinos allow it in the slot areas. The big Vegas-type ones like the Seminole Hard Rock are totally non-smoking.

jtown,man · #40 Posted **Jun 4, 2019, 6:04 PM**

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A non-smoking casino?

Yeah, they are pretty common all over now. MGM DC has no smoking and I think most of Atlantic City is non-smoking too. This surprised me as most casino's I've been to were in Mississippi which have smoking everywhere.