Highway 1 Improvements, 216th to 264th | U/C

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

And for what it’s worth, the route numbers should be the Coquihalla as the #1, and the #1 from Hope through the canyons to Kamloops becoming the 7.

I believe that the Trans Canada Highway gets at least some federal dollars for maintenance, so that's something that would have to be worked out with the feds.

[FarmerHaight]

I think what this whole argument about highway numbering comes down to, is whether the 7 is (or can be, or should become) a viable alternative to the TCH from the Tri-Cities through Hope.

After Hope the 1, 3, and 5 all serve slightly different routes but can also act as redundancies for each other. But I think it's worth asking if sinking 10s of billions into the TCH is the best option, when maybe the government should look into bringing the 7 up to freeway standards. The valley traffic would still choose the 1, but if an upgraded 7 could pull mountain-bound traffic away (After all, the trip from Brunette Ave to Hope is 1 km shorter on the 7 compared to the 1, and could be even shorter if some curves are straightened out and city centre bypasses were built.) that would help a lot with congestion on the narrowest parts of the TCH.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Going to not pick this, the number one splits into 2 (5 and 3) and the 7 continues as the 1 into the canyon.

So technically you do also have the 7 which has the same capacity as the #1.

Honestly the #7 is a decent drive if you want to avoid the #1.

Ignore #7. Hwy 1 splits into 1, 3, and 5. Arguably 5 replaced 1, but they all get traffic.

[WarrenC12]

Updating the #7 to a full freeway from the Cape Horn to Hope would be a great alternative, but way too expensive.

[madog222]

Glover Road from last month.


BC Highway 1- 216th to 264th Widening-Glover Road Crossing Aerial by B.C. Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, on Flickr

[libtard]

I wonder when they will replace the overpass at 192

[dmuzika]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

But in reverse not all traffic coming from the 3 and 5 goes to the Lower Mainland via the #1. Many times myself, and people I know, would come off the 3, got to Hope, and use the 7. It’s especially useful if you live in Mission, Maple Ridge, Pitt Meadows, and to some extent the Tri-Cities.

Point remains, the #1 isn’t the only route east to the Mountains. The #7 has the same capacity as the #1 does through the canyon.

And for what it’s worth, the route numbers should be the Coquihalla as the #1, and the #1 from Hope through the canyons to Kamloops becoming the 7.

The 5A through Nicola Valley can just be returned to the 5.

What's traffic like on Hwy 7 east of Mission? Is it heavy enough to warrant twinning?

I would agree that Hwy 1 should follow the Coquhalla and Hwy 7 should go through the Fraser Canyon, though I would argue that the '7' designation should continue north on Hwy 97 to Prince George and points beyond. I think more traffic heading south from the Cariboo would continue through the Fraser Canyon than head to Kamloops and the Okanagan. Create a true intraprovincial north-south highway from its largest metro area.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by dmuzika

What's traffic like on Hwy 7 east of Mission? Is it heavy enough to warrant twinning?

I would agree that Hwy 1 should follow the Coquhalla and Hwy 7 should go through the Fraser Canyon, though I would argue that the '7' designation should continue north on Hwy 97 to Prince George and points beyond. I think more traffic heading south from the Cariboo would continue through the Fraser Canyon than head to Kamloops and the Okanagan. Create a true intraprovincial north-south highway from its largest metro area.

Not really. It's the 7 is pretty quiet unless there's a reason for cars to divert on to it. It would be nice to have a second option though.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

Not really. It's the 7 is pretty quiet unless there's a reason for cars to divert on to it. It would be nice to have a second option though.

The only time I had any delays east of Mission was when they had temporarily closed the highway to land a medivac helicopter just west of Aggasiz. Other than that it's usually pretty benign. Even more so east of Aggasiz.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

The only time I had any delays east of Mission was when they had temporarily closed the highway to land a medivac helicopter just west of Aggasiz. Other than that it's usually pretty benign. Even more so east of Aggasiz.

The only time I took 7 going eastbound (on the advice of my aunt who lived in Hope, she said to take 7 because of TMX construction delays on 1) I got delayed behind a farm tractor just before Aggasiz.

[dharper]

Other than the Glover Road Underpass, they are sure taking there sweet time to start working on this project. I recently drove East on Hwy 1 to 264th, and absolutely nothing was done.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by dharper

Other than the Glover Road Underpass, they are sure taking there sweet time to start working on this project. I recently drove East on Hwy 1 to 264th, and absolutely nothing was done.

That's the schedule, construction on the 232 interchange and highway widening is due to start this year. Likely they wanted Glover in service before partially (fully?) closing 232.

[MFRH Pics]

Peardonville Rd to 216th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xPdTDAiLHA

[jollyburger]

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/t...264th-widening

[trofirhen]

As with all SSP Van' threads, there is a lot of well-researched information being posted here. Bien. Is anybody with the tech know-how willing to to show Hwy 1 before, after, and during this project?
I think that, especially for highway aficionados, visually showing the progress: the way it was (4 Lanes all the way) to the present, some of it finished, more to come, actually seeing it would be enlightening.
To anyone interested in this viusal project, thank you for your time and consideration. {From the Atlantic shores, to the cities of Central Canada, over the Shield, and the Prairies on west} this is the main road and only road, so DO IT RIGHT! > To put it in perspective, the only other two vehicular routes, which reach to Hope (with three route choices) or elsewhere, these being Hwy 7, or the now- upgraded 99 past whistler to Lillooet. Highway 1 through the Valley should, IMHO be upgraded to an "Interstate" scale, with no fewer than 6 or 8 lanes, depending on area usage.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

{From the Atlantic shores, to the cities of Central Canada, over the Shield, and the Prairies on west} this is the main road and only road, so DO IT RIGHT!

My favourite scene from the South Park movie is when they land in Canada and ask how to get to Ottawa. "Follow the road!", says the Canadian. "Which Road?" asks Cartman. The reply: "This is Canada. We only have one road".

To Americans used to the Interstate highway system, it must really seem this way!

YouTube Clip

[osirisboy]

Let’s just be thankful we never had something like their horrible interstate project here.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Let’s just be thankful we never had something like their horrible interstate project here.

while not perfect, the US interstate system has been amazing for the country, and we should have a smaller, similar program here.

from lives saved, to economic opportunities, to allowing Americans to explore their country better, its had major positive impacts. overall, it has been an amazing program for the USA.

there is no reason you cant have a robust freeway system while also having public transit, and walkable city cores. you need a balance of both.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

while not perfect, the US interstate system has been amazing for the country, and we should have a smaller, similar program here.

from lives saved, to economic opportunities, to allowing Americans to explore their country better, its had major positive impacts. overall, it has been an amazing program for the USA.

there is no reason you cant have a robust freeway system while also having public transit, and walkable city cores. you need a balance of both.

From where to where though? Even if the funding existed (it doesn't), over 7/10ths of the country lives below the 49th parallel (i.e. along the existing highways) and isn't likely to move.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

while not perfect, the US interstate system has been amazing for the country, and we should have a smaller, similar program here.

from lives saved, to economic opportunities, to allowing Americans to explore their country better, its had major positive impacts. overall, it has been an amazing program for the USA.

there is no reason you cant have a robust freeway system while also having public transit, and walkable city cores. you need a balance of both.

They have no high speed rail and their freeways decimated so many of their cities is what I was thinking of