HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Manitoba & Saskatchewan


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #41  
Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 11:47 PM
The Jabroni's Avatar
The Jabroni The Jabroni is offline
Go kicky fast, okay!
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Winnipeg, Kingdom of Skeletor
Posts: 2,615
That potential of losing the PP food court is definitely a concern. Although I wouldn't rule them out just yet (depending on what the new landlords will do to Portage Place).

If they can keep those "mall food" restaurants in place as an affordable alternative to the Hargrave Street Market and Food Hall, then by all means. I'm not saying the Food Hall will be expensive per se. I'd just tidy up the existing food court, like they did in Garden City Mall, and just continue the food services there. That's it.

And if/when the Hargrave Street Market and Food Hall are a huge hit, then that would definitely force Starlight to step up their game.

Not sure where the fear of losing the space and the status quo of Portage Place came from, but what I can say is that this was brought onto ourselves for what it is right now, and I feel that something needs to be done right now. Whether it to be tear it down and reunite Edmonton Street, or do a complete renovation by recladding/reconditioning the exterior, new curtain glass, new reclad the skywalks, and pretty much bring the whole mall into the 21st Century, not stuck in 1987.

I mean I admit, I do like the charm and the colours for its time, but frankly, it's time for it to move on. Hell, even Polo Park got out of 1986 in 2012.

And obviously, with the current "riff-raff" that hangs out there, it's obviously a more deeper issue than potentially losing a "community space" in Portage Place. I'm sure a compromise can be done though.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #42  
Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 11:55 PM
Wpg_Guy's Avatar
Wpg_Guy Wpg_Guy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Posts: 4,348
I believe part of the agreement is transfer of ownership of the skywalks so maybe we will see some reinvestment in them hopefully a more narrow sleeker look.
__________________
WINNIPEG | Projects and Development
In The Future Every Building Will Be World-Famous For Fifteen Minutes.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #43  
Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 1:14 PM
GarryEllice's Avatar
GarryEllice GarryEllice is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 322
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Jabroni View Post
That potential of losing the PP food court is definitely a concern. Although I wouldn't rule them out just yet (depending on what the new landlords will do to Portage Place).

[...]

Not sure where the fear of losing the space and the status quo of Portage Place came from, but what I can say is that this was brought onto ourselves for what it is right now, and I feel that something needs to be done right now. Whether it to be tear it down and reunite Edmonton Street, or do a complete renovation by recladding/reconditioning the exterior, new curtain glass, new reclad the skywalks, and pretty much bring the whole mall into the 21st Century, not stuck in 1987.
I'm also not sure why people expect the food court to disappear. It's an extremely strategic location right on Portage, and if hundreds of students are living directly above, it's only going to get busier. The new Hargrave food hall is serving a totally different market.

The exterior brick cladding of Portage Place still looks great. And honestly, I think the interior has aged pretty well too (aside from the food court). OK, teal and coral are not exactly trendy colours anymore, but it's still a brighter and more pleasant space than CityPlace, which is so bland and beige. If they renovated the interior of Portage Place and made it look more like CityPlace, I think that would actually be a step down...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #44  
Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 2:12 PM
optimusREIM's Avatar
optimusREIM optimusREIM is offline
There is always a way
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 1,702
Quote:
Originally Posted by GarryEllice View Post
I'm also not sure why people expect the food court to disappear. It's an extremely strategic location right on Portage, and if hundreds of students are living directly above, it's only going to get busier. The new Hargrave food hall is serving a totally different market.

The exterior brick cladding of Portage Place still looks great. And honestly, I think the interior has aged pretty well too (aside from the food court). OK, teal and coral are not exactly trendy colours anymore, but it's still a brighter and more pleasant space than CityPlace, which is so bland and beige. If they renovated the interior of Portage Place and made it look more like CityPlace, I think that would actually be a step down...
I don't think that it needs too much work aesthetically but there's still lots that can be done in terms of functionality. I hope whatever the plan is includes bringing the theatre back online.
__________________
"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm."
Federalist #10, James Madison
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #45  
Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 5:43 PM
trueviking's Avatar
trueviking trueviking is offline
surely you agree with me
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: winnipeg
Posts: 11,222
while I completely understand that the food court is an important social space for the surrounding neighbourhoods, it is being portrayed as a public space. It isn't. It is a private business and can be shut down tomorrow. The sale has no bearing on whether it stays open or not and blocking a sale doesn't ensure it remains open.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #46  
Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 7:51 PM
LilZebra's Avatar
LilZebra LilZebra is offline
Spiritual
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Winnipeg, Man.
Posts: 2,573
Quote:
Originally Posted by oftheMoon View Post

Notwithstanding the hoards of teenage kids that are dropped off in mini-vans to just hang out at the mall - it's just what happens with malls.
Teenage girls (normally) from the 'burbs who visit suburban malls don't go around getting into fights, stabbing or shootin' people at the mall though.

They're there to SHOP and possibly have a snack at the food court with their friend(s) ... or their Mom.

Video Link



Video Link
__________________
Visit LilZebra.ca
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #47  
Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 9:02 PM
EdwardTH EdwardTH is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 175
Quote:
Originally Posted by LilZebra View Post
Teenage girls (normally) from the 'burbs who visit suburban malls don't go around getting into fights, stabbing or shootin' people at the mall though.
Yeah, neither do the people who hang out inside Portage Place... Sure there are incidents in the bus shelters outside and the alley out back. But I've eaten lunch in that food court many times and I can't say I've ever seen anyone do anything wrong in there other than being poor and not white. The mall is depressing as hell and I'm ecstatic for it to be redeveloped but still, whenever that mall is discussed it is pretty shameful to see how terrified the average Winnipegger is of poor brown people.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #48  
Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 11:18 PM
GarryEllice's Avatar
GarryEllice GarryEllice is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 322
Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardTH View Post
Yeah, neither do the people who hang out inside Portage Place... Sure there are incidents in the bus shelters outside and the alley out back. But I've eaten lunch in that food court many times and I can't say I've ever seen anyone do anything wrong in there other than being poor and not white. The mall is depressing as hell and I'm ecstatic for it to be redeveloped but still, whenever that mall is discussed it is pretty shameful to see how terrified the average Winnipegger is of poor brown people.
I agree with every word of this. Very well put. It seems that for many "average" Winnipeggers, any group of Native people is automatically considered sketchy or scary.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #49  
Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 11:20 PM
pspeid's Avatar
pspeid pspeid is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 561
Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardTH View Post
Yeah, neither do the people who hang out inside Portage Place... Sure there are incidents in the bus shelters outside and the alley out back. But I've eaten lunch in that food court many times and I can't say I've ever seen anyone do anything wrong in there other than being poor and not white. The mall is depressing as hell and I'm ecstatic for it to be redeveloped but still, whenever that mall is discussed it is pretty shameful to see how terrified the average Winnipegger is of poor brown people.
Funny, I was just thinking of the number of times I have walked through that mall and never been accosted by anyone. I think the new ownership (provided the sale goes through as many of us hope) might have to really work to demonstrate the security of the area once revisions are done. I am certain there are a lot of people just waiting for the first sign of anything that smacks of criminal behaviour to denounce it as a "wretched hive of scum and villainy" (if that doesn't get me into copyright trouble).
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #50  
Old Posted Jul 20, 2019, 1:41 AM
Bluenote Bluenote is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Winnipeg / St Vital
Posts: 1,101
Quote:
Originally Posted by pspeid View Post
Funny, I was just thinking of the number of times I have walked through that mall and never been accosted by anyone. I think the new ownership (provided the sale goes through as many of us hope) might have to really work to demonstrate the security of the area once revisions are done. I am certain there are a lot of people just waiting for the first sign of anything that smacks of criminal behaviour to denounce it as a "wretched hive of scum and villainy" (if that doesn't get me into copyright trouble).
For sure, the winnipeg sun will be first in line to make a massive front page headline of it and make it called the most unsafe mall in canada lol.

The winnipeg sun does more harm to this city then any other thing tbh.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #51  
Old Posted Jul 20, 2019, 2:28 AM
Pinus Pinus is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,360
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluenote View Post
For sure, the winnipeg sun will be first in line to make a massive front page headline of it and make it called the most unsafe mall in canada lol.

The winnipeg sun does more harm to this city then any other thing tbh.
To be fair, our "legit" paper has bee trending in this direction as well for the last decade. It's as if the LOCAL media thoroughly enjoy displaying this city in a negative light to the rest if the world. I will never understand it for as long as I live.
__________________
Canada's biggest downfall: our proximity and physical attachment to 'Murca.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #52  
Old Posted Jul 20, 2019, 4:44 AM
LilZebra's Avatar
LilZebra LilZebra is offline
Spiritual
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Winnipeg, Man.
Posts: 2,573
Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardTH View Post
Yeah, neither do the people who hang out inside Portage Place... Sure there are incidents in the bus shelters outside and the alley out back. But I've eaten lunch in that food court many times and I can't say I've ever seen anyone do anything wrong in there other than being poor and not white. The mall is depressing as hell and I'm ecstatic for it to be redeveloped but still, whenever that mall is discussed it is pretty shameful to see how terrified the average Winnipegger is of poor brown people.
Not sure of that.

I've witnessed "brown people" fighting on a late Sunday afternoon while I was walking thru Edmonton court a few years back.

I've seen "brown people" on YouTube fighting inside Portage Place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Hagj3umPY



And years back an "brown person" was kicked out of the PP Food Court because the security thought he was loitering. That incident made the news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exw-KCX_x-s


9 yrs. ago street "drama" in front of PP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGOHQTKl0-A
__________________
Visit LilZebra.ca
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #53  
Old Posted Jul 20, 2019, 4:41 PM
buzzg buzzg is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 6,119
Quote:
Originally Posted by trueviking View Post
while I completely understand that the food court is an important social space for the surrounding neighbourhoods, it is being portrayed as a public space. It isn't. It is a private business and can be shut down tomorrow. The sale has no bearing on whether it stays open or not and blocking a sale doesn't ensure it remains open.
Exactly. I think all the people (prominent ones at that) who are making a big fuss over losing this "public space" are confused. They're acting like the government is selling the mall to be redeveloped – which isn't true, they don't even own the mall. They own the land and parkade, and have zero control over the mall. Mall ownership could shut it down any second and you'd have an empty mall on government land.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluenote View Post
For sure, the winnipeg sun will be first in line to make a massive front page headline of it and make it called the most unsafe mall in canada lol.

The winnipeg sun does more harm to this city then any other thing tbh.
Totally, and WFP picking up Tom Broadbeck has all but ended the legitimacy and respect of local newspapers.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #54  
Old Posted Jul 20, 2019, 8:59 PM
pspeid's Avatar
pspeid pspeid is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 561
^^ I also wondered at the tone of the recent Bartley Kives piece telling readers not to "panic or celebrate" about the Portage Place sale. Apparently the fact that developers feel they can make a profit re-developing downtown Winnipeg properties is not cause for "celebration". Really? I would think seeing private money being invested in downtown was great news.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #55  
Old Posted Jul 22, 2019, 5:15 PM
Ando Ando is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,251
“Average” Winnipeggers should reach out more often to actually speak to aboriginal residents, they would find that they are regular people.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #56  
Old Posted Jul 22, 2019, 6:09 PM
pspeid's Avatar
pspeid pspeid is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 561
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ando View Post
“Average” Winnipeggers should reach out more often to actually speak to aboriginal residents, they would find that they are regular people.
Absolutely!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #57  
Old Posted Jul 22, 2019, 6:12 PM
pspeid's Avatar
pspeid pspeid is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 561
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinus View Post
To be fair, our "legit" paper has bee trending in this direction as well for the last decade. It's as if the LOCAL media thoroughly enjoy displaying this city in a negative light to the rest if the world. I will never understand it for as long as I live.
I wish i knew as well, but if i were to guess, I would say the negative slant is a way of demonstrating "legitimate journalism" to their peers. It's as if a positive story is dismissed as a fluff piece, and one is only a "serious" journalist if they write something damning about their subject matter. Does anyone here have any experience with journalism? Is this a thing?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #58  
Old Posted Jul 22, 2019, 6:55 PM
EspionNoir's Avatar
EspionNoir EspionNoir is offline
Winnipeg
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 437
Quote:
Originally Posted by pspeid View Post
I wish i knew as well, but if i were to guess, I would say the negative slant is a way of demonstrating "legitimate journalism" to their peers. It's as if a positive story is dismissed as a fluff piece, and one is only a "serious" journalist if they write something damning about their subject matter. Does anyone here have any experience with journalism? Is this a thing?
I think that is a factor. Another thing is that on a psychological level, bad news and negative things usually provoke reactions and emotions more quickly than the positive ones, hence media outlets can use negative things to boost actual readership. Not exactly a healthy thing for the readers, but surly a way to make newspapers more profitable!

This phenomenon can be seen on the Internet in general, too. Whenver someone posts edgy or negative comments, you see the engagement is far more than when someone posts positive things.
__________________
Winnipeg
Favourite Cities: New York and Chicago (Others are good too)

Last edited by EspionNoir; Jul 22, 2019 at 9:20 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #59  
Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 12:27 AM
oaktom oaktom is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 13
this forum is about portage and main crossing please talk about that
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #60  
Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 12:32 AM
oaktom oaktom is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 13
here are all Proposals ideas images there are about 85 Proposals so far still going to upload more Proposals ideas images check it out here is link https://www.flickr.com/photos/182470927@N07/page1
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Manitoba & Saskatchewan
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 1:44 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.