Winnipeg Police Headquarters | Graham Ave. - Page 23

CoryB · #**441** Posted **Sep 18, 2019, 3:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by buzzg

Seems like they may have just ignored the art competition for the bollards, a shame, but at least stainless covers is better than nothing. Funny how they are designed to me US defense specs, not any sort of Canadian standard. Is that overkill? haha

It is not really overkill. For lots of niche areas the US Government is the defacto source of a standard. For example, Canada largely does not have guidelines for accessibility so it is common to refer to the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) to look for standards. Another example is for document management there is a standard that comes from the US Department of Defense that is widely used worldwide to define what features a document management system includes.

I suspect bollards fall into that category that there really is not another standard.

cllew · #**442** Posted **Sep 18, 2019, 5:59 PM**

There were two specs quoted in the tender for the bollards :

US State Department and US Defense Department K12 rating OR ASTM F2656/F2656M M30/P1

Both are essentially the same and are designed to stop a 15,000 lb vehicle driving at 30mph in under 3 ft.

ASTM is a private agency like CSA or UL that tests and sets standards.

esquire · #**443** Posted **Dec 11, 2019, 2:49 PM**

A CBC story says that the City is losing $250K a year on the office tower portion of the complex:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...ower-1.5390906

armorand93 · #**444** Posted **Dec 12, 2019, 7:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

A CBC story says that the City is losing $250K a year on the office tower portion of the complex:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...ower-1.5390906

For-profit jail, maybe? Solve overcrowding and make MPI some cheap license plates?

bomberjet · #**445** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 4:05 PM**

Police HQ RCMP investigation over. No charges coming due to lack of evidence. What a crock of shit.

Also sounds like the Canada Post mail processing investigation is over as well. Same deal.

The organized criminals win again.

OTA in Winnipeg · #**446** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 4:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

Police HQ RCMP investigation over. No charges coming due to lack of evidence. What a crock of shit.

Also sounds like the Canada Post mail processing investigation is over as well. Same deal.

The organized criminals win again.

And what happened to the two sets of books? Why even put that out there in the first place if it's not actionable? Just unbelievable.
https://winnipegsun.com/news/news-ne...ation-wraps-up

headhorse · #**447** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:00 PM**

if they were a 16 year old indigenous kid the police would have simply shot them nine times

rrskylar · #**448** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

Police HQ RCMP investigation over. No charges coming due to lack of evidence. What a crock of shit.

Also sounds like the Canada Post mail processing investigation is over as well. Same deal.

The organized criminals win again.

No kidding and not surprising in the least! Total BS and the usual disregard for tax dollars!

excerpt from Freep;

No charges after lengthy probe into police headquarters construction
12/13/2019 10:39 AM
The province's prosecutions service will not authorize any criminal charges related to Project Dalton, a lengthy RCMP investigation into the construction of the Winnipeg Police Service headquarters.

Manitoba Justice made the announcement in a press release Friday morning.

"After a comprehensive review of the legal issues and the foundational facts provided through the investigation, (the prosecution service) has concluded that there is not sufficient evidence to approve and criminal charges as there is not a reasonable likelihood of conviction," the press release said.

headhorse · #**449** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:00 PM**

it’s not organized criminals, it’s capitalism

did any of you really expect rich people would have to deal with the consequences of their crimes?

rrskylar · #**450** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

if they were a 16 year old indigenous kid the police would have simply shot them nine times

And the indigenous kid would have been told numerous times to drop the knife or gun as he came at police officers!

Enough of the BS already!

drew · #**451** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:02 PM**

Well, you aren't much of a criminal if you don't get away with it.

Actually, technically your aren't a criminal at all in that case.

bomberjet · #**452** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:05 PM**

Capitalism. Right.

Fraud. Crime.
Bribes. Crime.

Criminals. Except they're good at it and skirt the laws by using others. Don't say a thing about it to anyone that asks. And then 'there isn't sufficient evidence.' Organized crime.

headhorse · #**453** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:07 PM**

Capitalists are constantly breaking the law - labour law, environmental law, corporate law, constitutional law... They can just get away with it because the justice system is not on the side of everyday people and enough money will get you out of anything.

bomberjet · #**454** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:09 PM**

So let's get the justice system sorted out and deal with it.

headhorse · #**455** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by drew

Well, you aren't much of a criminal if you don't get away with it.

Actually, technically your aren't a criminal at all in that case.

duh look at this genius post

hope you apply that logic to the 70%+ of the prison population that hasn’t been convicted and every single robbery that has happened that has turned us into a police state - they aren’t criminals until they’re charged right??

wags_in_the_peg · #**456** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

if they were a 16 year old indigenous kid the police would have simply shot them nine times

you should be banned from this forum just for making a comment like that.

headhorse · #**457** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by wags_in_the_peg

you should be banned from this forum just for making a comment like that.

ok? fuck every police officer in Winnipeg. I don’t care ban me

All they are is an organized racket to protect the ruling class. fucking criminals and cowards

drew · #**458** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

duh look at this genius post

hope you apply that logic to the 70%+ of the prison population that hasn’t been convicted and every single robbery that has happened that has turned us into a police state - they aren’t criminals until they’re charged right??

Chill out.

I was talking more about the context of this thread.

But since you brought it up - the MLCC publicly stated that they would not actively stop thefts as they occurred or attempt to stop thieves from leaving - yet they are caught off guard as the kids somehow learned how to read and use social media - and the robberies - gasp - increase!

Genius I know.

And 70% of the prison population that hasn't been convicted? Cool. But in order to go to jail, you need to be charged with a crime.

In the context of this thread, an investigation happened, and no charges were laid. Hence, no jail.

bomberjet · #**459** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:27 PM**

Which doesnt mean that crimes werent committed. They just dont believe they have the right evidence to convict.

esquire · #**460** Posted **Dec 13, 2019, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

ok? fuck every police officer in Winnipeg. I don’t care ban me

All they are is an organized racket to protect the ruling class. fucking criminals and cowards

Rule of law or survival of the fittest. It's one or the other, take your pick.

I can be critical of the excesses granted to police but at the same time we have to give them their due... a city like Winnipeg would be unmitigated deadly chaos if there weren't cops to keep things in check.