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Old Posted Mar 21, 2012, 2:20 PM
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True Hoboken residents want to keep the city small. The Lincoln Tunnel area is not very accessible. There's usually a massive traffic backup in the mornings and evenings. The path train only goes into Hoboken about 20 blocks to the south. They have a light rail you can connect to but it's not big and doesn't run enough yet.
The LRT runs every 5-15 mins and its decently sized system , and its being expanded.... There already building up the rest of the Weehawken Waterfront will low rise structures....should be finished in 2015....
     
     
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Journal Square is a rail and bus hub for commuters, and can handle more office development than it has. However, the JC waterfront was developed as an alternative to lower Manhattan. Before that, there was not much in that area, and Journal Square was the more traditional urban center.

Back to the old failed proposal, looks as though the city wants to get something going...

http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/inde...t_wants_d.html
Jersey City signals it wants developer of massive Journal Square project to act, or face default




March 10, 2012
By Terrence T. McDonald

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In April 2009, Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy stood on a 1.5-acre site adjacent to the Journal Square PATH station and hailed an imminent twin tower project as a “great step forward” for the city. The project two towers, one 58 stories and the other 38, sitting atop a seven-story retail and parking base with a rooftop terrace would begin later that year, and be completed in three years. It’s now three years later and the site remains vacant, save for weeds and the occasional soda can or beer bottle surrounded by metal fencing.

The twin tower project appears to be nothing more than a dim fantasy, but that may all change soon. City officials say they want the heart of the city to see the same kind of development that’s occurred Downtown. “Journal Square is really the next area, and Journal Square is primed and ready for a project,” said Jersey City Redevelopment Agency Executive Director Bob Antonicello.

For years, the Journal Square project was stalled, with main investor Multi-Employer Property Trust (MEPT), of Washington, D.C., blaming the poor economy for its inability to find a partner to help it with financing, according to Antonicello. After missing an August 2011 deadline to put a shovel in the ground, and then missing a second deadline of Dec. 31, 2011, MEPT has until April Fool’s Day to get the project started in earnest, Antonicello said.

“The issue that we had really with MEPT was this process was kind of ready, aim, aim, aim, aim ... and they never fired the gun to actually go vertical,” he said. If the April 1 deadline passes without movement on the project, MEPT will be in default of its agreement with the JCRA, and the city agency can find someone else to help realize the long-awaited proposal, Antonicello added.


http://www.thejcra.org/index.php?p=p...details&pid=17


This will probably come back to life under a new developer.

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http://www.globest.com/news/12_310/n...t/-319741.html
MEPT Faces April 1 Deadline for Journal Square Project

By Antoinette Martin
March 20, 2012

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The city’s partners in a long-stalled project to revitalize Journal Square with up to 1,500 new housing units and extensive retail on a site adjacent to the PATH station will not meet an April 1 deadline for getting shovels in the ground, and have asked for another year to make good, Jersey City officials tell GlobeSt.com. The Jersey City Redevelopment Agency chief says the answer is probably no.

Antonicello says he expects to advise board members against accepting MEPT’s request for an extension after it defaults on the April 1 deadline, which has already been extended twice since last August. Once MEPT defaults, JCRA is legally entitled to consider new development partners.

“Our issues are significant,” Antonicello says. “The city and the Redevelopment Agency have done everything they can to create as much value at the Journal Square transit hub as possible. This project should have moved forward.”

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While that project struggles I don't think the prospects are great for seeing something happen soon with this new 82-story development. But when the redevelopment plan kicks in, Journal Square will be transformed...

http://www.thejcra.org/jcra_files/Fi...pment_Plan.pdf
















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True Hoboken residents want to keep the city small. The path train only goes into Hoboken about 20 blocks to the south. They have a light rail you can connect to but it's not big and doesn't run enough yet.
Hoboken was the main terminus for NJ Transit trains (until the Midtown direct provided "direct" service into Penn Station). It's still a major hub, and there was a proposal a few years ago for a "Hudson Yards-like" development there as well. It could have been a major rival to development in Jersey City, though visibly there's no difference between the two cities from a waterfront point of view.



http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.s...transit_r.html


Can Hoboken withstand a 75-story building?
NJ Transit proposes skyscrapers for $500M development at train tracks


By Tricia Tirella and Timothy J. Carroll
09/29/2008

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A 36-acre swath of land at the southern tip of Hoboken is an ideal location for a 75-story building, several other tall towers, and 9.2 million square feet of new development, according to NJ Transit officials and Mayor David Roberts.

Broad plans for the proposed $500 million, 20-year development were unveiled on Thursday, at the third of three public meetings held by NJ Transit to talk about their development plans for the tracks at the city's southern border. The new development would revitalize an industrial area and bring as many as 6,000 new residents to the city.

But many people believe it is out of scale for mile-square Hoboken.

At the meeting, members of a private planning firm, FXFOWLE - appointed by the city and paid for by NJ Transit - tried to convince some outraged residents that condos, office buildings, and retail and park space could "beautify the blighted area" bordering Observer Highway.

NJ Transit owns the property, but has allowed Hoboken to choose its own planning and architecture firm. The development would be completed by NJ Transit's designated company, LCOR. Mayor David Roberts said on Friday that the rail yard is a "quintessential place to put office buildings." He said that even though the proposed 75- to 80-story "signature building" for the site is about three times the height of the tallest building in Hoboken, it would be better to have it on the Hoboken side of the project than on the Jersey City side.

Needless to say, this didn't go anywhere, for now.



http://thehobokenjournal.blogspot.co...rce-press.html



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Hobokeners and NJT employees were flat out against that proposal...so it was dropped. A new Proposal was drafted a few months ago and has the approval of most residents and employees.... The Jersey City side would be better served with Monsters that tall... That plan was also supported by a corrupt Mayor who is now out of office , he didn't care for Hoboken and would let just about anything get built. The New Mayor has come out with the Plan below...it has yet to get to NJT....but seeing how Hoboken has forced NJT hand in the past several times it shouldn't be hard. The Secaucus plan that NJT had proposal died aswell , there not really that good when it comes to real estate.... There plans are often out of place and met with a firestorm of opposition.

Hoboken Terminal Yard Redevelopment Plan Second plan
     
     
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Hobokeners and NJT employees were flat out against that proposal...so it was dropped. A new Proposal was drafted a few months ago and has the approval of most residents and employees.... The Jersey City side would be better served with Monsters that tall... That plan was also supported by a corrupt Mayor who is now out of office , he didn't care for Hoboken and would let just about anything get built. The New Mayor has come out with the Plan below...it has yet to get to NJT....but seeing how Hoboken has forced NJT hand in the past several times it shouldn't be hard. The Secaucus plan that NJT had proposal died aswell , there not really that good when it comes to real estate.... There plans are often out of place and met with a firestorm of opposition.

Hoboken Terminal Yard Redevelopment Plan Second plan
This plan seems much more realistic than the old proposal and both of the Jersey City supertall plans. I could actually see this moving forward and this is something I can get excited about.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2012, 2:49 AM
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Any development is good there, and I'm all about development around transit, especially rail terminals. Hoboken would have gotten the benefits if the original plans could have been built (how many towns that small could have boasted a corporate headquarters that large tower likely would have provided), but they want to linger in the shadow of Jersey City. I'm doubtful the 82-sotry proposal can get built, particularly with the original 2 tower proposal in limbo. The economy of the past few years hasn't helped many of these developments. But things are beginning to thaw all over New Jersey as projects come to life.
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Wow, something like this would absolutely dominate the Journal Square skyline, though it would definitely be nice to see that area be much more of a hub, sort of a midtown to the waterfront downtown of Jersey City.

I am definitely gonna have to do some wandering on the Jersey side some when I get there in just over a month.
     
     
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With the new and proposed development downtown, an increasing population in Hoboken and JC, not to mention some of the development going on in Newark, can the PATH handle the increase in ridership? Its already beyond packed during rush hour.
     
     
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With the new and proposed development downtown, an increasing population in Hoboken and JC, not to mention some of the development going on in Newark, can the PATH handle the increase in ridership? Its already beyond packed during rush hour.
I am certain that things will work out. Especially since there are proposals to expand the PATH system, and the HBLR system it will work out. There has also been two other proposals that would help. The 7 line extension to New Jersey and the Gateway Project but it has to be seen which proposal would be picked.
     
     
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I love the Handel Architects proposal. The connectivity between the towers at the base looks beautiful. I Think those terraces will be very popular.

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can the PATH handle the increase in ridership? Its already beyond packed during rush hour.
That's an understatement. But slightly increased service will help some. What will help more is if that 7 extension to Secaucus gets built. It's currently just a study, but is being looked at as a cheaper and more practical way of getting more transit into the City from Jersey (over the canceled rail tunnel project).
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Now that's what I call TOD!

This seems to be a pretty handsome design and much more rememberable than a lot of the non-descript glass boxes going up across the river. Hope to see it get built! It would also be hilarious to see Jersey City have a taller building than every other city in the country except Chicago and NYC...
     
     
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http://hudsonreporter.com/view/full_...ry_left_column

70-story residential tower to break ground at JSQ
‘Game-changing’ residential development coming to transit hub





by E. Assata Wright
Dec 09, 2012

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The city’s weathered Journal Square neighborhood appears to be on track to get a makeover. A week after the City Council gave approval for a new 42-story residential building near Summit Avenue, the Planning Board has similarly blessed the “Journal Squared” development, also known as J2. According to revised plans presented to the community last week, the KRE Group will build a 1,840-unit residential development behind the Journal Square transit hub on what is currently used as parking for NJ Transit and security personnel. A portion of the development will also occupy what was once a Verizon office building on Summit Avenue.

The project, which will be built in three phases, will ultimately include about 36,000 square feet of retail space and 920 parking spaces. “We’re planning to break ground in 2013 for Phase I,” said KRE Principal Jonathan Kushner, who also built the Grove Pointe development downtown. “I can’t project how long it will take to build Phase II and Phase III. But our plan is to complete Phase I within the next 36 months. That means we expect to be built and leased within 36 months.”

The first phase of the project, which does not currently include any condominiums, will have 540 residential units and a pedestrian/community space similar to Grove Plaza at the Grove Street PATH Station. “A large part of our plan here is to rebuild all of Magnolia Way to make it a new public plaza,” Kushner said.

“This is a game-changer,” city engineer Jeff Wenger told residents and members of the Planning Board last week, who had gathered to hear about several changes Kushner and Handel Architects wanted to make to their original design. The tiered development will be 70 stories at its highest point and will be a visible and prominent New Jersey landmark when viewed from Manhattan’s West Side. Originally designed as three separate towers, the revised Journal Squared plan is one cohesive building.

While specific residential amenities were not discussed during the public presentation last week, the finished complex will feature ambient lighting, new landscaping, and a completely redesigned back entrance to the PATH/NJ Transit station at Journal Square.

“This is the most dramatic project that we’ve seen, I think, in the last 30 or 40 years,” said Robert Cotter, director of the Jersey City Division of Planning. “This is an important project that is going to transform Journal Square, for real.”

Journal Squared is the second large-scale residential development to be approved for this area in the past three weeks. Two weeks ago, the City Council approved a settlement with the owner of Robinhood Plaza. The settlement has paved the way for the construction of a 42-story residential development near Summit Avenue. Many residents, particularly those who remember the Square’s heyday as a vibrant business hub, welcome this development and say it is time that communities away from the city’s waterfront begin to benefit from Jersey City’s renaissance.


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If its one building how is it still three separate phases?
     
     
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If its one building how is it still three separate phases?
I think the misunderstanding is that the plans are to build one tower for now, followed by the other towers in phases. It looks like the plan is basically 10 units per floor.


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KRE’s Jeffrey Persky said construction of the first tower, 54 stories tall with 540 units, would begin by the end of next year. That is to be followed by a 70-story building with 700 units, and then a 60-story tower with 600 units, according to the approved plan.

There are other projects that also may be in the works for Journal Square, including two towers proposed for one block south of the PATH station.

Some years ago, the city zoned the Journal Square neighborhood for high-rise development around the heavily traveled PATH station and bus terminal at the Transportation Center. The Journal Square PATH station has the fourth-highest ridership of any PATH station on weekdays, and second-highest on weekends (behind the World Trade Center.)
I love high density around major transit centers. It's the way it should be.
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I'm hopeful something gets off the ground here.

The area could use a shot in the arm, and the transit connections should be able to support a lot of growth here.
     
     
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Journal Square? Really?

I work in Jersey City - the nice part, and I wouldn't want to live even there. Too few real amenities. Not even a Whole Foods, even with all of the upscale rental and condo buildings. Who would want to live in that decrepit part of town? It is not like Brooklyn. It is more like Newark.
     
     
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I have never taken the PATH and I will never understand what it is or how to use it. Mind-boggling. But NJ transit is fantastic.

This site is literally in the middle of nowhere and I'm surprised it's getting built. I like the ambition and scope but I can't help feeling this will ultimately look awkward & alone. I don't see the neighborhood becoming a viable hub or center of business and there isn't enough existing for even a major project like this to change that. 1,800 residences are a lot for one development but in terms of creating a neighborhood, nothing. If they can put 10,000 units adjacent to the station, the prospects begin to become much better... unfortunately I don't think you could find enough people to fill those units (especially if they're luxury buildings demanding relatively high rents). We will see but I definitely hope it works out for the best...
     
     
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Journal Square is long due for highrises- there's been so much low rise construction including street front retail in recent years the area is primed.
     
     
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