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Old Posted Mar 21, 2018, 8:52 PM
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The crane for CPS is going up, and its tall!!!!

Will try to snap a picture of it later today when I run downtown.
For those who prefer to see a tiny partial view of it from a distance, look at the Frost northeast web cam between the two tall buildings on the left:

https://app.oxblue.com/open/KDC/frostbank
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2018, 2:47 AM
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[IMG]CPS Energy Construction by Raul Medina III, on Flickr[/IMG]
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^^ Yeah, Frost was a vacant lot with only a parking lot to tear up. Demolishing these would require complete demolition, tearing up the foundations (A: possibly), piling and pouring new foundations (if A then B), and then the complete construction costs. I don't see how that could have been cheaper.

They're going to look better than before, but not by a whole lot. Oh well, at least it's an improvement.
I remember the Grand Hyatt going up really fast and that was on the River. I was looking at old maps, and wow...from Dec 2006 - the building that was there was still standing, then in Oct 2008 the Grand Hyatt was pretty much finished, including it 5 (that's impressive) levels of ground parking. Demolishing a building isn't expensive. Relatedly, Austin has a building going down on the 25th. I think I'll be there for that.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2018, 12:49 AM
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Can we officially label this one under construction??!!
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FAA crane permit - the height is listed as 326 feet.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external...58330853&row=2
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From the Frost web cam you can see that they have already removed the facade from many of the floors.
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Taken on 4/16/18. View that you would see when standing on the dam.
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Updates on this project. Taken on 5/16/18





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Updates on this project. Taken on 5/16/18





I have a good feeling that this project is going to look fantastic, and even more fantastic at night with the lighting!!!
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I know I'm in the minority here, but I can't help to think this whole approach is stupid.

These buildings have been essentially demolished. They should have been torn down entirely, and a new, skyline changing building put up on this property.

It may still spur some development in the area, but CPS could have built an iconic tower, while consolidating it's departments, which is what is supposed to be the purpose of moving it's operations DT in the first place.

Yes, cast your arrows at will, but I'm still very disappointed by this.
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You're allowed to have your opinion. You're right they could have easily been down. But I'm not mad at what the current design is.
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I know I'm in the minority here, but I can't help to think this whole approach is stupid.

These buildings have been essentially demolished. They should have been torn down entirely, and a new, skyline changing building put up on this property.

It may still spur some development in the area, but CPS could have built an iconic tower, while consolidating it's departments, which is what is supposed to be the purpose of moving it's operations DT in the first place.

Yes, cast your arrows at will, but I'm still very disappointed by this.
Agreed. It's a horrible waste of money and time. Frost, once again stating this, costs $142 million. A new building! A beauty, mind I add. This whole project is weird and in the same vein, sadly, as the Hemifair project.
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I know I'm in the minority here, but I can't help to think this whole approach is stupid.

These buildings have been essentially demolished. They should have been torn down entirely, and a new, skyline changing building put up on this property.

It may still spur some development in the area, but CPS could have built an iconic tower, while consolidating it's departments, which is what is supposed to be the purpose of moving it's operations DT in the first place.

Yes, cast your arrows at will, but I'm still very disappointed by this.
My guess is CPS doesn't have a reason to want to build a tall tower. They have a budget to work with and tearing down the buildings completely, digging up the foundation, installing new foundations and constructing an entirely new building after hiring an architect/engineering team to design it would be much more costly than removing and rebuilding the facade and inner workings of buildings with existing foundations and frames.
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My guess is CPS doesn't have a reason to want to build a tall tower. They have a budget to work with and tearing down the buildings completely, digging up the foundation, installing new foundations and constructing an entirely new building after hiring an architect/engineering team to design it would be much more costly than removing and rebuilding the facade and inner workings of buildings with existing foundations and frames.
This and it's utility customers would be up in arms if CPS built a skyline changing building. I'm sure the majority of it's customers care less where and in what building CPS works out of as long as their rates don't increase.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2018, 5:58 PM
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^^ That too... yeah.
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Agreed. It's a horrible waste of money and time. Frost, once again stating this, costs $142 million. A new building! A beauty, mind I add. This whole project is weird and in the same vein, sadly, as the Hemifair project.
I sincerely doubt it’s either a horrible waste of money nor a waste of time. You’d be foolish to not think CPS Energy, a publicly owned company, wouldn’t do its due diligence when determining which route to take. That includes a cost benefit analysis. They did their homework, so to say the things you say just because you personally disagree with the way they went is unnecessary. I can promise you had they had to buy land and build from scratch, they’d have spent way more than $142 million.
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2018, 11:27 AM
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I sincerely doubt it’s either a horrible waste of money nor a waste of time. You’d be foolish to not think CPS Energy, a publicly owned company, wouldn’t do its due diligence when determining which route to take. That includes a cost benefit analysis. They did their homework, so to say the things you say just because you personally disagree with the way they went is unnecessary. I can promise you had they had to buy land and build from scratch, they’d have spent way more than $142 million.
There's also the public's perception of building new vs. rehabbing. Even if the two options theoretically were to come to the exact same cost, in the public's eye it would look better to rehab an old building than to build a new, attention-grabbing skyscraper. People (even a vocal minority) would say, "Why are you wasting the public's money building a shiny new building for yourselves and making our bills go up?" Then more people would hear that outcry and jump on the bandwagon, causing a headache for CPS. So by rehabbing an old building, they avoid that scenario altogether. It's politics, but politics is largely about perception.
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There's also the public's perception of building new vs. rehabbing. Even if the two options theoretically were to come to the exact same cost, in the public's eye it would look better to rehab an old building than to build a new, attention-grabbing skyscraper. People (even a vocal minority) would say, "Why are you wasting the public's money building a shiny new building for yourselves and making our bills go up?" Then more people would hear that outcry and jump on the bandwagon, causing a headache for CPS. So by rehabbing an old building, they avoid that scenario altogether. It's politics, but politics is largely about perception.
Agree 100% with you and SKW above.

Btw do people not realize how ugly these buildings were? This will look like two new buildings.
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Also agree 100% Jack. Was going to post something along those lines, but ya beat me to it!
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Agree 100% with you and SKW above.

Btw do people not realize how ugly these buildings were? This will look like two new buildings.
Yes, I realize how ugly they are. That's why I'd prefer they be torn down. It's a moot point now, and I was just venting a little, while trying to stir up some comments as it had been dead for a few days.
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