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Old Posted Apr 19, 2007, 6:40 PM
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Exclamation Poland and Ukraine host Euro 2012

Poland and Ukraine have been chosen to host the 2012 European Championships.

Italy was widely expected to win the Uefa vote in Cardiff, with another joint bid from Croatia and Hungary also in the running.
However, Italy's bid was overshadowed by last season's referee corruption scandal and on-going problems with football-related crowd trouble.
It will be the first time that either Poland or Ukraine has hosted a major football championship.
Uefa president Michel Platini said: "Poland and Ukraine are surely a worthy winner. However, there are no losers today, rather only bids that have not won this time round."
Platini's announcement prompted scenes of jubilation in the host countries.

Polish Football Association chairman Michal Listkiewicz said: "There are 85 million people now waiting for this big football event.
"The friendship between our nations has a very long history. This big tournament will be an important milestone in the history of our two Slavic nations."
His comments were echoed by Ukrainian football federation president Hryhory Surkis.
"This is a decisive day for our country. It will provide new opportunities for our country as it strives to integrate with Europe," he said.

Poland and Ukraine's bid team staged an impressive presentation on Tuesday, featuring Chelsea striker Andriy Shevchenko, Liverpool keeper Jerzy Dudek as well as boxer Vitali Klitschko, former Olympic champion Sergei Bubka and Ukraine president Victor Yushchenko.
Nonetheless, the bid was still considered the outsider of the three.
Poland is still recovering from a match-fixing scandal and its government has been warned by Uefa and Fifa about political interference in the country's football governing body.
Meanwhile, Ukraine has been hit by a political crisis, with the president trying to dissolve parliament.
Nigel Adderley, BBC Five Live's reporter at the vote in Cardiff, said: "It's a massive slap in the face to Italian football.

"Only last night, members of the Uefa executive committee were hinting that although Italy has had problems, they still felt it is a place that can develop a tournament and has the experience."
Italy's bid leader Luca Pancalli said the recent violence in Italy, including events at Roma's Stadio Olimpico in which riot police clashed with Manchester United fans, may have proved crucial.
"I think the problems we have had with violence have been decisive in this vote," he said.
"It is not just one incident - there was the tragedy in Sicily in February when a policeman was killed and then the problems in Roma for the Manchester United match, these things have been a big obstacle for us."

Poland and Ukraine's victory fits in with new Uefa president Michel Platini's policy of redressing the balance of power in football throughout Europe.
However, it is understood Platini did not attempt to mobilise support behind any one bid.
According to Uefa sources, Poland and Ukraine won in the first round of voting with eight of the 12 votes while four went to Italy and none to Croatia and Hungary.
It will be first time the former eastern bloc has hosted the tournament since Yugoslavia in 1976.

Poland's Dutch head coach Leo Beenhakker said the decision was hugely important for the game in the winning countries.
Beenhakker said: "Eastern Europe has a great history in sport and in football and they still have great players but what they have been missing has been good infrastructure, stadiums and training facilities.
"Now the governments and the football federations are obliged to realise all their promises within the next five years and make these improvements.

"This is fundamental for football in Poland and Ukraine."
Games will be played in four Ukrainian cities (Dnipropetrovsk, Donetsk, Kiev and Lviv) and four Polish venues (Gdansk, Poznan, Warsaw and Wroclaw).
Two more Polish cities, Cracow and Chorzow, are listed as reserve venues.
Kiev's Olympic Stadium, used to host football at the 1980 Moscow Olympics, is the proposed venue for the final.
The tournament will feature 16 teams, although Uefa is looking into increasing that to 24 from 2016 onwards.



Both countries have a enormous amount of improvements to do before 2012.
The infrastructure is a complete nightmare + the distances are very huge to European standards.
Talking about corruption: both the Polish and Ukrainian football recently got some scandals too...
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2007, 8:21 PM
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Yrah, I was really surprised by this, eventho I hadn't followed the bidding. Poland & Ukraine? so one game in Warsaw, the next in Kiev? That's faaar away for Europe. A Polish-Chech bid would sound more normal to me.
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To Poland & Ukraine

@Swede:
Wait until Russia hosts it in 2016 and the games are played in Vladivostok on the Pacific coastline. That too is part of Europe.
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^It isn't. Europe ends at the Urals. Also, After Poland/Ukraine in 2012 I'm thinking it more likely the 2016 ones are in the West.
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Also, After Poland/Ukraine in 2012 I'm thinking it more likely the 2016 ones are in the West.
Hopefully a true football nation...
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Both countries have a enormous amount of improvements to do before 2012.
The infrastructure is a complete nightmare
It's getting better

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The distances are very huge to European standards.
That's not a problem - if You remeber in 2002 World Cup was in Japan/Korea.

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Talking about corruption: both the Polish and Ukrainian football recently got some scandals too...
What about football corruption in other 'true football nations' ? Do You think that in Italy the situation is better ?

And talking about 'true football nations' ...

Poland :

The history of football in Poland started in late 19th century with the rising popularity of the new sport. The first professional Polish football clubs were Lechia Lwów (1903), Czarni Lwów (1903), Pogoń Lwów (1904), Cracovia Kraków (1906) and Wisła Kraków (1906).

Début of national teams at the world cup:

Poland - 1938

England - 1950
Portugal - 1966
Denmark - 1986

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...FIFA_World_Cup

Worlc Cup - best results

Poland : Third place (1974, 1982)

Spain : Fourth place (1950)

Football - Olympics - all time medal table

Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1 Hungary (HUN) 3 1 1 5
2 Great Britain (GBR) 3 0 0 3
3 United States (USA) 2 2 1 5
4 Soviet Union (URS) 2 0 3 5
5 Uruguay (URU) 2 0 0 2
6 Yugoslavia (YUG) 1 3 1 5
7 Argentina (ARG) 1 2 0 3
Poland (POL) 1 2 0 3
Spain (ESP) 1 2 0 3
10 East Germany (GDR) 1 1 2 4
11 Czechoslovakia (TCH) 1 1 0 2
France (FRA) 1 1 0 2
13 Italy (ITA) 1 0 2 3
Norway (NOR) 1 0 2 3
Sweden (SWE) 1 0 2 3
16 Belgium (BEL) 1 0 1 2
17 Cameroon (CMR) 1 0 0 1
Canada (CAN) 1 0 0 1
Nigeria (NGR) 1 0 0 1
20 Brazil (BRA) 0 3 1 4
Denmark (DEN) 0 3 1 4
22 Bulgaria (BUL) 0 1 1 2
23 Austria (AUT) 0 1 0 1
China (CHN) 0 1 0 1
Paraguay (PAR) 0 1 0 1
Switzerland (SUI) 0 1 0 1
27 Netherlands (NED) 0 0 3 3
28 Germany (GER) 0 0 2 2
29 Chile (CHI) 0 0 1 1
Ghana (GHA) 0 0 1 1
Japan (JPN) 0 0 1 1
West Germany (FRG) 0 0 1 1
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Wow. I didn't think it would ever happen.
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^It isn't. Europe ends at the Urals. Also, After Poland/Ukraine in 2012 I'm thinking it more likely the 2016 ones are in the West.
EURO History:

Year - Host

1960: France
1964: Spain
1968: Italy
1972: Belgium
1976: Yugoslavia
1980: Italy
1984: France
1988: West Germany
1992: Sweden
1996: England
2000: Belgium & Netherlands
2004: Portugal
2008: Austria & Switzerland
2012: Poland & Ukraine

"The West" had a pretty good run. Now, its our turn!

2016: Russia
2020: Serbia & Montenegro
2024: Baltic States
2028: Czech Republic & Slovakia
2032: Croatia & Slovenia
2036: Romania & Moldova
2040: Bulgaria & Macedonia
2044: Albania & Bosnia

You guys can have it back in 2048
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Well, I wouldn't go along with CG all the way through 2044, but for the time being I'm happy for Poland and Ukraine!

Congratulations, guys!
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Albania & Bosnia.

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That's not a problem - if You remeber in 2002 World Cup was in Japan/Korea.
And what does this have to do with the EURO? I agree with Swede, a Polish/Czech bid would have been better. Both countries are receiving funds for their infrastructure while Ukraine isn't. I fear that Ukraine will have some great stadiums (thanks to the local oligarchs) with little to no infrastructure around them.
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Hopefully a true football nation...
your handle fits. what an ignorant, arrogant thing to say.

congrats to ukraine and poland! (though i always thought a poland/czech bid would have made more sense, too. also, poland and ukraine's history with one another is not as friendly as one of the officials made it out to be.)
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