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Old Posted Nov 23, 2018, 10:44 PM
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The FRA has finally updated 49 CFR parts 229, 231, 236, and 238. Effectively they have created a new Tier 3 for high speed trains, also they have finally acknowledged that Crash Energy Management and Crash Prevention Measures are better than building high-velocity bank vaults. Under the new rules, old, heavy trains can now be replaced with lighter, sleeker, more-modern models. European and Asian trains are designed to absorb impacts and avoid collisions in the first place, and they have better safety records. The trains will now be more energy efficient and cheaper thanks to the changes, and they will also be more likely to have features that prevent overcrowding, like open gangways.
As Canada follows the FRA regulations, the development of rail will now be cheaper and more viable.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2018, 2:45 AM
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Very good news. Not gonna lie I'd be happy if Canada could partner with China to upgrade our national rail network akin to the highway system in one big fell swoop so that we could at least run trains somewhere near 200 km/h including freight. That would go along way in adding capacity and growth in the region...
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2019, 9:22 PM
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Alberta Advantage Podcast.
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The Cascadia HSR line between Portland, Or and Vancouver, BC has taken another step forward:

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On Tuesday, Democrats in the Washington State Legislature introduced Governor Jay Inslee’s (D-Washington) legislation for new transportation funding that would support creation of an interstate high-speed rail authority. The legislation would provide up to $3.25 million in biennial appropriations through 2021 to establish the authority in partnership with the State of Oregon and Province of British Columbia. The move takes Seattle a step closer to one-hour train trips to Portland and Vancouver, British Columbia.
Article: https://www.theurbanist.org/2019/01/...tive-approval/

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Old Posted Jan 28, 2019, 1:33 AM
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The best quotes for the Cascades High Speed Rail Proposal I have heard:

"This project is an exciting opportunity to improve communities, grow the economy, and open doors for people and businesses to prosper across the entire region in a sustainable future-focused way."

"A vision for a better connected Cascadia mega-region that will help our talented entrepreneurs, researchers and workers share knowledge and expand economic opportunity."

"Help grow economic opportunities in the Cascadia Innovation Corridor, shrinking the distance between Seattle, Vancouver and Portland will encourage greater collaboration, deeper economic ties and balanced growth for years to come"

All are arguments that would easily apply to the Calgary-Edmonton Corridor, and not just for high speed rail, they even apply to regional rail.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2019, 3:34 PM
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The best quotes for the Cascades High Speed Rail Proposal I have heard:

"This project is an exciting opportunity to improve communities, grow the economy, and open doors for people and businesses to prosper across the entire region in a sustainable future-focused way."

"A vision for a better connected Cascadia mega-region that will help our talented entrepreneurs, researchers and workers share knowledge and expand economic opportunity."

"Help grow economic opportunities in the Cascadia Innovation Corridor, shrinking the distance between Seattle, Vancouver and Portland will encourage greater collaboration, deeper economic ties and balanced growth for years to come"

All are arguments that would easily apply to the Calgary-Edmonton Corridor, and not just for high speed rail, they even apply to regional rail.
And I'm sure money will rain from the sky like manna too. In what dreamworld does Alberta have the resources (sorry, VERY bad pun) anymore to fiddle with such fantasties?
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2019, 5:16 PM
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The Cascadia HSR line between Portland, Or and Vancouver, BC has taken another step forward:



Article: https://www.theurbanist.org/2019/01/...tive-approval/

Proposed HSR:

Fantastic news - thanks for the update. They've been running some focus groups on this and it seems like this could really become a reality in the medium term.
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And I'm sure money will rain from the sky like manna too. In what dreamworld does Alberta have the resources (sorry, VERY bad pun) anymore to fiddle with such fantasties?
When projects are economic they can get funded.
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A Train to nowhere?

If HSR between LA and SF doesn't make economic sense in Democrat controlled green washed California with 40 million people, how can it make sense in Canada or Cascadia? This is right out of the politicians HSR handbook, start out big with lots of fanfare to get votes and then start scaling back until no one cares anymore.

During Gov. Gavin Newsom's first State of the State speech Tuesday, he surprised listeners by announcing he would put the quest for high-speed rail connecting San Francisco and Los Angeles championed by his predecessor far on the back burner.


"Let's level about the high-speed rail," Newsom said. "Let's be real, the current project as planned would cost too much and, respectfully, take too long. Right now, there simply isn't a path to get from Sacramento to San Diego, let alone from San Francisco to L.A. I wish there were."

Recent estimates assessed former Gov. Jerry Brown's plan would be cost about $77 billion and be completed in 2033. Newsom then pivoted to his alternate proposal, to instead connect the two Central Valley cities, 160 miles apart. "Critics are going to say that's a train to nowhere, .............


https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...d-13610732.php
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Because we don't have to build it through 20 or 30 cities/dense areas. Or over (or under) a few mountain passes.
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What about high speed rail between Calgary and Edmonton? Is there a market for it?
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What about high speed rail between Calgary and Edmonton? Is there a market for it?
No! Not enough people. Puget Sound (Everett to Olympia) has as many people as the entire province of Alberta ... and studies continue between Puget Sound to Metro Vancouver and Metro Portland, with many other cities in between.

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High-speed rail link would run from Vancouver to Seattle in under 1 hour: study

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...r-1-hour-study
July 15, 2019

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A proposed high-speed rail link would cut the travel time between Seattle and Vancouver and between Seattle and Portland to under an hour and dramatically boost the economy of the entire region, a report concludes.

The Washington State Department of Transportation has released a 400-page business case for the transportation link, which is also supported by the governments of British Columbia, Oregon and Microsoft Corp.

“The ability to travel each segment between Seattle, Portland, and Vancouver in less than an hour will revolutionize the way we live, work, and play in the Pacific Northwest,” Washington Gov. Jay Inslee says in the report.

“Moreover, it helps us preserve the natural beauty and health of our region by enabling faster, cleaner, and greener trips between our region’s largest cities.”...


...It says the annual ridership is projected to exceed three million, with fare revenues estimated at more than US$250 million, which could result in one of the best performing rail services in North America.
This area has the $$$ and demand. Let's do it!
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2019, 1:13 PM
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Calgary - Edmonton would be an order of magnitude cheaper and easier though, with probably similar ridership. I doubt either will happen any time soon.
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Not high speed, but a hydrogen powered rail line concept is being proposed running between Kamloops, through the Okanagan to Osoyoos.

Pretty pie in the sky also, but it is a busy corridor. years from now this could be viable

Could the Okanagan's transit future be hydrogen powered rail?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...rail-1.4871090
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No! Not enough people. Puget Sound (Everett to Olympia) has as many people as the entire province of Alberta ... and studies continue between Puget Sound to Metro Vancouver and Metro Portland, with many other cities in between.
Calgary and Edmonton generate way more traffic between the two though than a typical city pair. Mostly since there aren’t other destinations near either city and the degree of integration between them. The government of Alberta has predicted enough demand for the project to be freestanding, as in the user fees will pay both the operational and capital costs of the project.
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Not high speed, but a hydrogen powered rail line concept is being proposed running between Kamloops, through the Okanagan to Osoyoos.

Pretty pie in the sky also, but it is a busy corridor. years from now this could be viable

Could the Okanagan's transit future be hydrogen powered rail?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...rail-1.4871090
Shows how behind Canada is when a simple passenger railway is considered pie in the sky. You don't even need the hydrogen, just put in a DMU and reduce the risk, a linear corridor like that is perfect for rail.
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Shows how behind Canada is when a simple passenger railway is considered pie in the sky. You don't even need the hydrogen, just put in a DMU and reduce the risk, a linear corridor like that is perfect for rail.
Not really perfect for rail since you're linking a bunch of auto-centric cities. The interior is car country, so rail is a tough go.
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We could use that excuse forever though as long as no rail exists. There's nothing inherently different about Canada vs Europe, or Japan, or Australia, if rail existed then use and development patterns would change, eventually, and it's much easier to serve a group of cities that are in a line rather than spread out.
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Any form of passenger rail will become obsolete when driverless cars become a reality.
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