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Old Posted Sep 9, 2019, 4:28 PM
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^ Yeah hopefully they go with a light brushed aluminum or something for the blow thru.
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2019, 8:08 PM
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The mechanical louvers look like afterthoughts. They really didn't anticipate them to be so dark?
You don't think they expected it? It looks like black anodized aluminum... How could you expect that not to be black?

No, they chose what they chose. I personally like the black louvers, I just think silver would complete the rainbow of the top frustrum set.
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2019, 10:19 PM
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A question for the engineers, no doubt.

Too bad you don't like it, hopefully you don't live in Chicago because we are keeping it

Keep in mind our river boat tour from shoreline was the most popular tour in the world on tripadvisor in 2017. chicagoans love that river.. this building absolutely has a front and a back. i don't care what people have to stare at while they wait in traffic on LSD, or what the affluent residents of LSE have to gaze upon. however i am kind of upset that the planetarium view will include the black strips of mechanics
It isn't a question for the engineers. It is a design problem. If there was an oversight or if new requirements come from engineering, design should work to find a solution with some coherence.

At its absolute simplest, the black color works against the way the color gradation of the curtain wall is used to reinforce the frustum shape. Light colors on the peaks with dark in the valleys is a clever way to create more contrast. Throwing a full black stripe across both peaks and valleys flattens out the form. Stretching that across the the whole floor also flattens the transition points laterally. It is a hard problem they took on trying keep the geometry readable on a building of such scale. The glass color and the slight N/S offset of each stack is all in service of that objective. The louvres aren’t.

I don't even know what you are trying to get at with your riverboat rambling. The point is that a more considered design doesn't need such a visual cop out. Look at how trump tower handles it, the transitions between segments actually contribute positively to the design. That looks intentful, this looks like a bandaid.

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Old Posted Sep 9, 2019, 10:34 PM
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It isn't a question for the engineers. It is a design problem. If there was an oversight or if new requirements come from engineering, design should work to find a solution with some coherence.

At its absolute simplest, the black color works against the way the color gradation of the curtain wall is used to reinforce the frustum shape. Light colors on the peaks with dark in the valleys is a clever way to create more contrast. Throwing a full black stripe across both peaks and valleys flattens out the form. Stretching that across the the whole floor also flattens the transition points laterally. It is a hard problem they took on trying keep the geometry readable on a building of such scale. The glass color and the slight N/S offset of each stack is all in service of that objective. The louvres don't.

I don't even know what you are trying to get at with your riverboat rambling. The point is that a more considered design doesn't need such a visual cop out. Look at how trump tower handles it, the transitions between segments actually contribute positively to the design. That looks intentful, this looks like a bandaid.
Hahah my riverboat rambling.. take everything I post here with a grain of salt

It's so true I don't know why the designers couldn't have put more thought into this. Simply expected better.
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Old Posted Sep 10, 2019, 5:16 AM
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I think this tower is a beauty, but one that shines from certain angle, as depicted in #6331 via Skyguy_7's quote of teohwp85 pic.

At certain angles, this tower really shines and complements the proxy towers near Aon.

From a far, you'd think it was a complex of 3 towers.

IMO, this looks better from its sides versus looking directly at it where it looks like a staircase, but one which requires a very large step for the 1st step (if you can see where I'm coming from. See post #6334. This angle, is eh... but the one in post #6331 really shines.

I think its unique in how it reflects light too. Lighting conditions really bring this tower to life. One of those cases, again, IMO, as an outsider, where the time of day, how sun light is reflected will dictate the awe factor of this tower.

I do feel the location is not prime for it, from an aesthetics standpoint. In an alternative world, I would of loved to see this on East Roosevelt Road, at the end of Grant Park if I'm getting the location right.
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^So you think it would look good next door to NEMA or across the street to the West? Which direction would you have it face?

I'm happy it's where it is. LSE needed (and still needs) some architectural punch. I strongly dislike the majority of high-rises in this area of town. Vista helps a lot, but there are a lot of ugly and/or forget-able buildings here.
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^^^^^

This location right here.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8674...7i13312!8i6656

I think its developed now, as the image date is back in the day, but in an alternative world, I think it would look great there.

I kinda feel like the whole Central Station or Prairie District needs more of a counter balance skyline and bulk wise.
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^ the eastern portion of that lot is where NEMA now stands.

and the western portion is planned for an even taller companion to NEMA.

as for the central station area in general, i would say it's bulking up pretty nicely up now:

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You don't think they expected it? It looks like black anodized aluminum... How could you expect that not to be black?

No, they chose what they chose. I personally like the black louvers, I just think silver would complete the rainbow of the top frustrum set.
I mean, they didn't even have the blow thru floor planned properly when construction had already began. And the glass detailing and shading has changed substantially after construction began also. After a lot of issues.
So no, I don't really think these things really were thought through properly. Look at how badly the dark louvers clash. That isn't portrayed in any of the renderings. It wasn't intentional, at least originally.

Imo the black louvers are also ugly, but you're right we all have different taste and standards.
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I mean, they didn't even have the blow thru floor planned properly when construction had already began. And the glass detailing and shading has changed substantially after construction began also. After a lot of issues.
I recall they didn't have blow-thru planned AT ALL when construction began, let alone properly. They were forced to add one because it didn't wind test well AFTER construction already started. Now that's a major fuck-up. But I digress.

If anything I've learned from following progress of buildings on this forum, it is to hold off final judgement until it's finished. My opinion has changed several times already on Vista and I think when that top frustum gets glazed and tidied up, along with the blow-thru, it will impress and the louvers will become less of an issue and perhaps even made to seemingly make more sense. Here's hoping.

Agree with location issues. Some of Vista's neighboring buildings really deter from it's beautiful shape. Especially the one directly east in the seemingly same color glass. Uck.
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I wish I knew who took those last pics cuz I can't seem to see any trademark......
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Hahahahaa. Sorry golden dusk. Not only are those photos pretty much the same photos we get here on the daily, but the drop shadow on that © look ridiculous. Chill with that.
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Still nice photos GDP. I hope you enjoyed your Chicago visit??
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I recall they didn't have blow-thru planned AT ALL when construction began
Yup

https://chicago.curbed.com/2017/7/17...-design-update
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Hahahahaa. Sorry golden dusk. Not only are those photos pretty much the same photos we get here on the daily, but the drop shadow on that © look ridiculous. Chill with that.
Those are some very nice shots - up there with Nick's. I don't quite get the hostility towards professionals who opt to share their work on this forum.

I would love to see Golden Dusk do another Chicago set in January - diversify their decidedly balmy portfolio.

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Humor is lost online much like tears in the rain!

So please don't take us seriously Golden Dusk...
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Humor is lost online much like tears in the rain!

So please don't take us seriously Golden Dusk...
It definitely appears to be lost on me. I'm trying to read the original comment's sarcasm and its evading me

Anyway, people definitely need to feel welcome to post here.
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Anyway, people definitely need to feel welcome to post here.
I don't mean to be rude, i'm usually civil on this forum.

When I see a post from either of you two, I feel connected to the city, intrigued, informed. Frequent users such as yourselves are why I have been checking this forum daily ever since I found out about it.

When I see a fat watermark from an account that has never posted in this thread before, I feel like I'm being advertised to. Maybe it's because I grew up in the internet age but I have no patience for that.

Goldendusk is welcome to post here, but I'm welcome to defend a thread I love from self promo.
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i don't mean to be rude, i'm usually civil on this forum.

When i see a post from either of you two, i feel connected to the city, intrigued, informed. Frequent users such as yourselves are why i have been checking this forum daily ever since i found out about it.

When i see a fat watermark from an account that has never posted in this thread before, i feel like i'm being advertised to. Maybe it's because i grew up in the internet age but i have no patience for that.

Goldendusk is welcome to post here, but i'm welcome to defend a thread i love from self promo.
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