HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > Buildings & Architecture > Never Built & Visionary Projects > Cancelled Project Threads Archive

About The Ads  This week the ad company used in the forum will be monitoring activity and doing some tests to identify any problems which users may be experiencing. If at any time this week you get pop-ups, redirects, etc. as a result of ads please let us know by sending an email to forum@skyscraperpage.com or post in the ads complaint thread. Thank you for your participation.


    Waterview Tower in the SkyscraperPage Database

Building Data Page   • Comparison Diagram   • Chicago Skyscraper Diagram

Map Location
Chicago Projects & Construction Forum

 

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #41  
Old Posted Dec 3, 2006, 6:47 PM
Dougall5505's Avatar
Dougall5505 Dougall5505 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: P-town
Posts: 1,976
why wouldn't the core go vertical that is what is happening at block 37 and it doesn't look like they have excavated at all
     
     
  #42  
Old Posted Dec 3, 2006, 6:52 PM
denizen467 denizen467 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,212
BVic, you're saying that they're basically stopping work on building up the core until the surrounding excavation is done?
     
     
  #43  
Old Posted Dec 3, 2006, 7:24 PM
Nowhereman1280 Nowhereman1280 is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pungent Onion, Illinois
Posts: 8,492
Quote:
Originally Posted by denizen467
BVic, you're saying that they're basically stopping work on building up the core until the surrounding excavation is done?
I'm not sure Bvic is trying to say that. He doesn't know exactly how they are going to build it, but he can probably give a pretty good guess as to what they will do. I bet the core will continue to rise, but not as fast as it is now.

If you look at how fast they have been building that core, if the sides move anywhere as quickly, they will catch up with the core quite quickly.
     
     
  #44  
Old Posted Dec 3, 2006, 7:26 PM
BVictor1's Avatar
BVictor1 BVictor1 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 9,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by denizen467
BVic, you're saying that they're basically stopping work on building up the core until the surrounding excavation is done?
I believe that they might build the core up to upper Wacker, but not beyond until the excavation work and building up of lower levels is complete.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougall5505
why wouldn't the core go vertical that is what is happening at block 37 and it doesn't look like they have excavated at all
don't know. I believe it's because the Block 37 building will be steel. Remember when they were working on MoMo in the early stages? The cores got pretty far beyond the rest of the structure, until the structure switched from steel framing to concrete. Now the cores are like 2 floors higher than the rest of the structure.
__________________
titanic1
     
     
  #45  
Old Posted Dec 3, 2006, 8:07 PM
Nowhereman1280 Nowhereman1280 is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pungent Onion, Illinois
Posts: 8,492
Quote:
Originally Posted by BVictor1
\I believe it's because the Block 37 building will be steel. Remember when they were working on MoMo in the early stages? The cores got pretty far beyond the rest of the structure, until the structure switched from steel framing to concrete. Now the cores are like 2 floors higher than the rest of the structure.
That would make sense, look at Comcast Center in Philly, the exact same thing, the core is way ahead of the steel.

So even if Waterview doesn't break street level until they get the rest of the foundation underway, we are still going to have an interesting few weeks because, if what Bvic said ends up being the case, then they should be getting pretty close to starting to excavate the rest of the site.
     
     
  #46  
Old Posted Dec 5, 2006, 12:49 AM
dubai 1's Avatar
dubai 1 dubai 1 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 201
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicago Shawn

Looking north across the site


Shear Wall formwork and rebar


Looking down from the fourth floor of the adjacent parking garage within the 203 North LaSalle Building
were did you get these pic's from, could you post the link ?
     
     
  #47  
Old Posted Dec 5, 2006, 5:47 AM
Atlas's Avatar
Atlas Atlas is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 220
He might have taken them. He lives in Chicago according to his location.
     
     
  #48  
Old Posted Dec 5, 2006, 7:40 AM
BVictor1's Avatar
BVictor1 BVictor1 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 9,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlas
He might have taken them. He lives in Chicago according to his location.
He took the photos himself. Thee majority of the pictures that you'll see in the Chicago threads were taken by individual who work, live or play downtown. You'll hardly get any third party images here...
__________________
titanic1
     
     
  #49  
Old Posted Dec 8, 2006, 2:20 AM
SolarWind's Avatar
SolarWind SolarWind is offline
Chicago
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,974
December 7, 2006







     
     
  #50  
Old Posted Dec 8, 2006, 2:41 AM
Nowhereman1280 Nowhereman1280 is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pungent Onion, Illinois
Posts: 8,492
I dunno Bvic, once they pour the concrete on the rebar they have up already, the core will be pretty close to level with Wacker. All they need is one more level and Waterview will be pretty clearly above the street level. Maybe they'll keep working on the core as they continue excavating the sides, I don't see why they wouldn't do that.
     
     
  #51  
Old Posted Dec 8, 2006, 2:52 AM
SolarWind's Avatar
SolarWind SolarWind is offline
Chicago
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,974
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280 View Post
I dunno Bvic, once they pour the concrete on the rebar they have up already, the core will be pretty close to level with Wacker. All they need is one more level and Waterview will be pretty clearly above the street level. Maybe they'll keep working on the core as they continue excavating the sides, I don't see why they wouldn't do that.
Based on what I saw today, the core will clearly be higher than Wacker. I'm 6' 2'' and the top of the rebar is above my eye level.
     
     
  #52  
Old Posted Dec 8, 2006, 2:55 AM
Nowhereman1280 Nowhereman1280 is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pungent Onion, Illinois
Posts: 8,492
WOW! That's crazy! They are sure moving right along on this thing, are you guys sure that the core won't catch up with Trump at some point?
     
     
  #53  
Old Posted Dec 8, 2006, 7:40 AM
Jaroslaw's Avatar
Jaroslaw Jaroslaw is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Seoul
Posts: 1,792
-So they've changed plans from having four to two floors below street level?
__________________
Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam
     
     
  #54  
Old Posted Dec 8, 2006, 3:50 PM
budman budman is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 487
I talked to one of the workers at the site last week, and he said 4 levels below street level...although he also mentioned that there would be below-ground parking as well, and that was news to me.
     
     
  #55  
Old Posted Dec 10, 2006, 12:22 PM
Jaroslaw's Avatar
Jaroslaw Jaroslaw is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Seoul
Posts: 1,792
-Sorry, I didn't look at the construction photos closely enough. They have in fact already poured three levels of the core, one more to upper Wacker and that's four...
__________________
Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam
     
     
  #56  
Old Posted Dec 10, 2006, 5:09 PM
Rocket1 Rocket1 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Plano, TX
Posts: 470
Layman's question:

In a building like Waterview Tower, about what % of the buildings load is supported by the core?

And do buildings typically have just 1 core? Or might one with a bigger footprint have more?
     
     
  #57  
Old Posted Dec 10, 2006, 8:07 PM
dubai 1's Avatar
dubai 1 dubai 1 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 201
^^ those are Very good questions
     
     
  #58  
Old Posted Dec 11, 2006, 3:25 AM
denizen467 denizen467 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,212
^ The fewer cores, the more rentable / saleable space, so even with a big footprint / taller building there will be a bigger core but not multiple cores. A rare example of multiple cores is MoMo, but that's structurally two buildings (that fuse higher up) anyway.

Of course if by 'bigger footprint' you mean the Merchandise Mart, then yes, of course there will be multiple cores, but then we're not talking highrises anymore.
     
     
  #59  
Old Posted Dec 11, 2006, 5:10 AM
Jaroslaw's Avatar
Jaroslaw Jaroslaw is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Seoul
Posts: 1,792
I believe that the reason we are seeing fewer multiple cores, actually, is that each core must have two stairwells. In the old days--I don't know when this regulation came into effect--you'd have two or three cores in apartment buildings to give you more apartments with E-W or N-S views. Most "commieblocks" have multiple cores because of the shape of the building, too...
__________________
Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam
     
     
  #60  
Old Posted Dec 12, 2006, 6:27 PM
honte honte is offline
Registered
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Chicago - every nook and cranny
Posts: 4,628
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougall5505 View Post
why wouldn't the core go vertical that is what is happening at block 37 and it doesn't look like they have excavated at all
They have done this intentionally at Block 37 because they are pressed for time in trying to keep their anchor office tenant. They will be building up and building down at the same time. It's unorthodox, a bit risky, and not done very often.
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
 

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > Buildings & Architecture > Never Built & Visionary Projects > Cancelled Project Threads Archive
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 9:36 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.