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Old Posted Mar 10, 2011, 9:52 PM
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Bordeaux projects & plans

The city of Bordeaux decide to build another bridge.
Today 3 bridges across the Garonne have problems with cars , rush hours etc .

brige ok , but how boat can come down the river and having access in downtown?

Here's the bridge

started 2009 , end 2012
150 000 000 Euros
7000 tons of steel
the middle part will goes up at 50 meters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTt66...ker=False&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVABc...ker=False&NR=1

Sorry this is in french , but you can ask
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Three steel road bed sections (fixed: 2 x 150m, lifting: 1 x 120m) will be made by Cimolai in Italy, close to Venice, and floated through the Mediterranean and the Atlantic to reach the Garonne river.
Length of mobile, lifting section: 117 m
Navigable channel width: 106 m
Pylon height: 77 m
Height of raised section above water when lifted: 53 m
Weight of liftable section: 2,600 tonnes
Time to raise roadway: 11 minutes
Predicted number of lifts in a year: 60
Protective bases, that enclose the lifting mechanisms: 44m by 18m, 16.5m high, about 5,000 tonnes weight
First stone laid: 9 December 2009, near avenue Lucien Faure
Bases and protective island for pylons: to be towed into position, then sunk: June 2010 for the left bank and January 2011 for the right bank
Pylons to be erected, access roads, lifting mechanism: 2011 to summer 2012
Installation of mobile section: summer 2012
Works to be completed: end of 2012
Designers: Egis-JMI, Lavigne & Cheron Architects, and Hardesty & Hanover
Consultant engineer: Michel Virlogeux
Main constructor: Vinci Construction
Overall cost: 145,8 million euro - City of Bordeaux: 94.27M €, State: 18.29M €, region: 15.24M €, département: 18M €
Annual maintenance budget: 0.5M €

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Are there any pictures and maybe a map?

It's almost ten years since the one time I was in Bordeaux (for just 1 day).
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That design... iconic, it is. Good choice!
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Wow, that's beautiful.
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Pont Bacalan Bastide - February 2012

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Look at these stairways!


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uh? Would there be an observation deck up there? cause lazy or tired or simply regular folks won't use the stairs to go up. But they might be fun to go down like in the Eiffel tower.
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Cool design. And I like those spiral stairs behind that glass. Though I imagine those tubes could heat right up from the sun unless that's double glass I see.
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Nevertheless would an underwater tunnel not be a better choice here, as such a structure does not require any interruption of car traffic and can be passed by ships of any height?
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Otoh a bridge can be used by pedestrians and cyclists - which is very important in/near the urban core.
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There's some large redevelopment underway all around that bridge, on both banks if I'm not mistaking. This lately posted on the French forum caught my attention for example.

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Brazza Nord Bordeaux Masterplan / KCAP



[...] The project site is a 67 ha area within Bastide Brazza Nord, a 120 ha former industrial area between the river Garonne and an abandoned railway area. The urban strategy will combine new urban mixed-use functions with re-used abandoned infrastructures and is based on an integrated environmental approach to ground pollution and flood risk. [...]



The program consists of about 600.000 m2 of housing, offices, industrial and public facilities and new public spaces to be implemented on the old industrial riverbank and the abandoned railway area. In the end of 2012 a new bridge – ‘Bacalan Bastide’ – will connect the right and left bank of the Garonne river. This connection will improve the relation of Brazza Nord and the rest of the city. It is considered as a key opportunity for the regeneration of the surrounding communities and will have an important impact on the entire region.





http://www.archdaily.com/247612/braz...sterplan-kcap/
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I think this should be turned into a general developments thread...

If everything goes right, the city will be kind of a HSR hub by the beginning of the next decade.


Sketch from the Bordeaux Euratlantique official site, hosted on imageshack.us
LGV => HSR
autoroutes => highways/freeways

A long-run project called Bordeaux Euratlantique, widely managed by the national government since it's an Opération d'Intérêt National (OIN, national interest project), obviously involving Spain very much too, hence maybe a bit of the European Union as well.

Of course locally, this is bringing some development opportunities to the city. It's now at the heart of their development strategy. Official site of the project:

http://www.bordeaux-euratlantique.fr...-tgv-europeen/

Besides, and I don't think that's even related, they've been implementing a masterplan covering 370 acres over an area called Bassins à flots. I just counted roughly 30 projects over the area affected for now, mostly some housing. Yet another thing to get lost in. There's plenty of mock-ups and stuff in the Bordeaux subforum of the French urban planning site. I'll bring some later.
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But are all those HSR lines actual LGVs planned for 2020? are they under construction now? I only knew about the Paris connection.

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^ There will definitely be some delays. The sections to Toulouse and to Hendaye are on hold. There should be some announcements about that pretty soon, from that socialist government that everybody over here is plainly hating. The line to Toulouse is supposed to be upheld, so is the section to Dax, but further to Hendaye (which is certainly part of the line to Bilbao) might well be badly delayed.

As for the Paris-Bordeaux line, the section between Paris and Tours is yet an actual LGV. So a (pretty long) section between Tours and Bordeaux is currently upgraded.

That's what's up to the French side. They say that in spite of some budget cuts, the work is already on in the Spanish Basque Country.

This from Wiki seems actually up to date.

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whenever i visit northern europe (including france), it makes me feel ashamed that i live in the usa and own an american mentality. it's enough to look at these photos and compare them with any planned community in north america to cast into relief how truly barbaric we are as a people. i feel like the american esprit is impossible to grasp without understanding how ugly our cities are and how little we care about the aesthetics of a place. it's appalling, truly appalling.
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^ Well, I won't even try to comfort you, I'll just easily admit there's quite a bunch of things, like tons of high-rise landmarks, mansions and stuff from the US that we French would be quite very pleased to steal. Seriously, the US is far from being ugly. It's plainly obvious. You know, sometimes, grass seems greener on the other side as they say, but in fact to each their own problems. There are some both in France and in the US, it's just not necessarily the same.

The great point about Europe is very well known by forumers here. It's that most people over here don't mind putting their cars aside and relying on mass transit, which of course allows a better use of space for dense urban developments. It seems that more and more in the US are converging to that point, though, maybe from observing European cities whose many are spectacular simply by their densities.

Right now in France, we're facing some bad budget issues, that is delaying our most important public projects. The HSR line linking Bordeaux to Toulouse is estimated at €5.9 bi, won't be operational before at least 2024. The section to Dax would cost €3.9 bi, not before (still at least) 2027. Further to Hendaye is not even mentioned. In other words, don't think about it before the 2030s. My hope is if the national economy finally gets better within the few coming years, better efforts may eventually be consented.

BTW, trains obviously don't mean giving up on cars or on airplanes (Toulouse will remain the center of aeronautics in the country, don't worry about that). It's just better to have everything! That's helpful greediness.
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A mockup from amart, that's in Bassins à flot.









The renderings of another block in Bassins à flot.





That's how they're expanding the modern neighborhoods covered by master plans, lot by lot, block by block. Like this for example:



That's apparently a good job. Below is the implementation of such blocks in Bassins à flot.







Another one coming to Berge du Lac (Ginko), the master plan I showed a couple of posts above.





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