WINNIPEG| The Exchange District |Market Lands Redevelopment - Page 12

Tacheguy · #**221** Posted **Jan 8, 2019, 4:37 PM**

I think that open, sunny and full of people is exactly the right vibe for that site. Our sunshine is perhaps this city’s greatest calling card. If the Forks is any example I think a lot of folks feel that way.

EdwardTH · #**222** Posted **Jan 8, 2019, 4:41 PM**

Personally I like how the site opens up to RRC instead of to the north. It sort of connects the two halves of the downtown RRC campus and makes it more coherent.

Andy6 · #**223** Posted **Jan 8, 2019, 5:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by cheswick

I think all that means is they had to prioritize certain aspects over others and none were perfect.

Another comment made a couple of times were the buildings in the designs didn't fit in well with the surrounding neighbourhood. That the surrounding neighbourhood consisted of really square buildings.

I agree with their decision having read their evaluations. We don’t need a show-off design that upstages the Exchange District itself, not to mention being potentially costly to realize. The winning proposal provides a sunny, inviting market area while visually integrating the Princess Street buildings with Main Street.

esquire · #**224** Posted **Jan 8, 2019, 7:48 PM**

^ The proposal isn't necessarily the one I would have chosen if left to my own devices, but I can't complain too much about the one which was selected... it's still pretty nice and a much better use of the land than what was there for the last 50 years (assuming the northern half of the site gets built out too).

I don't find the differences between the proposals to be so great that I'd get too worked up over it.

bomberjet · #**225** Posted **Apr 8, 2019, 4:38 PM**

https://winnipeg.ca/MatMgt/FolderCon...19_A&YEAR=2019

RFQ is out for readying of the lands for redevelopment.

pspeid · #**226** Posted **Apr 8, 2019, 8:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

https://winnipeg.ca/MatMgt/FolderCon...19_A&YEAR=2019

RFQ is out for readying of the lands for redevelopment.

Nice to see the process starting!

esquire · #**227** Posted **Jun 12, 2019, 3:47 PM**

Bids closed a few weeks ago... any word on this? I'm getting anxious to see this project move along.

Biff · #**228** Posted **Jun 12, 2019, 4:04 PM**

I believe it has been awarded to Rakowski Cartage & Wrecking.

borkborkbork · #**229** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 4:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

I believe it has been awarded to Rakowski Cartage & Wrecking.

"The Public Service is recommending an award of contract for Readying the Lands at 151 & 171 Princess Street for Redevelopment Opportunity – Tender No. 230-2019B to Rakowski Cartage & Wrecking Ltd., in the amount of $6,783,824.00 plus GST. The Recommendation included in this Report complies with the requirements of the various trade agreements and the City’s Materials Management Policy"

6.7 million just for demolition. Whew.

Still less than the $9.7M budgeted:

"Note the contract price indicates an approximate $2.9 million savings to the City relative to the forecasted $9.7 million total construction cost as contained in the project capital budget. However, the Public Service recommends that all capital budget funding be retained as a contingency to manage any incremental costs arising due to risks that may materialize associated with projects of this scope and characteristics e.g., unknown site conditions. Any favourable project funding variance realized upon project total completion would be available for capital reallocation."

bomberjet · #**230** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 4:44 PM**

Yup. Lots of heavy concrete to move out. Safely. I suspect it also includes filling the hole left by the parkade and basement levels.

pspeid · #**231** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 5:13 PM**

^^ Good to see some movement on this! Can anyone set up a demolition/construction cam there?

Labroco · #**232** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 6:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by borkborkbork

"The Public Service is recommending an award of contract for Readying the Lands at 151 & 171 Princess Street for Redevelopment Opportunity – Tender No. 230-2019B to Rakowski Cartage & Wrecking Ltd., in the amount of $6,783,824.00 plus GST. The Recommendation included in this Report complies with the requirements of the various trade agreements and the City’s Materials Management Policy"

6.7 million just for demolition. Whew.

Still less than the $9.7M budgeted:

"Note the contract price indicates an approximate $2.9 million savings to the City relative to the forecasted $9.7 million total construction cost as contained in the project capital budget. However, the Public Service recommends that all capital budget funding be retained as a contingency to manage any incremental costs arising due to risks that may materialize associated with projects of this scope and characteristics e.g., unknown site conditions. Any favourable project funding variance realized upon project total completion would be available for capital reallocation."

Is that for parking garage and public safety building?

Has there been any mention on who is developing the proposed social housing on the site and who will own it? Is CV suddenly the developer / owner as well?

Is their plan to hold the title of the project in perpetuity or to sell on completion and just write off and loss at that time? How are they mandated to raise $30,000,000 to build the project? Who guarantees the loan and or loss?

As I have said before, I consider any use other than for RRC very short sighted.

bomberjet · #**233** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 8:34 PM**

It's for 151 and 171 Princess.

151 is PSB. I assume 171 is the parkade.

Biff · #**234** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 8:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Labroco

Has there been any mention on who is developing the proposed social housing on the site and who will own it? Is CV suddenly the developer / owner as well?

I believe it is the Winnipeg Housing Rehabilitation Corp that is developing/paying for it.

They built the big residential building at 840 Ravelston Ave out by Park City Commons a few years back.

trueviking · #**235** Posted **Jun 18, 2019, 11:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Labroco

Is that for parking garage and public safety building?

Has there been any mention on who is developing the proposed social housing on the site and who will own it? Is CV suddenly the developer / owner as well?

Is their plan to hold the title of the project in perpetuity or to sell on completion and just write off and loss at that time? How are they mandated to raise $30,000,000 to build the project? Who guarantees the loan and or loss?

As I have said before, I consider any use other than for RRC very short sighted.

Always looking for a reason to yell ‘Ah Ha!’ At Centre Venture. The plan is on their web site.

Yes. Winnipeg Housing.

If RRC wants any or all of the site north of the housing and market, they are able to apply. I hope they do. Personally I think it would not be responsible to let a huge important site like that to sit empty on a hope that one day RRC decides they are able to develop it. Having it open to any developer is the best way to finance the projects and ensure diversity of uses.

buzzg · #**236** Posted **Jun 19, 2019, 3:26 AM**

I completely agree TV.

If RRC has a plan or need imminent, great. If not, let the open market take a stab at it. That being said, with the RRC innovation centre now above ground, the college could very well already have a plan for its next move in the Exchange. It's not like this land becoming available is a surprise. With Elgin set to become closed off to create more of a campus feel, a building across Princess would be a smart play.

Whatever happens I hope to hell that aside from the market, the rest of the Marketlands plan is completely scrapped and the buildings are developed to front onto King and Princess. I'm very nervous.

Wpg_Guy · #**237** Posted **Jun 19, 2019, 4:53 AM**

Here is the latest on the Market Lands redevelopment site:

The Market Lands has been fueled by conversation. After more than two years of public consultation, planning, and design, a dramatic redevelopment vision has emerged. Area residents, businesses, creators, and all those who love the Exchange District have shaped the project, providing the foundation and the life it needs to succeed and redefine the heart of this historic
part of our city.

The Market Lands will be a place for exchanging ideas, art and business. It will be a meeting place for creators, full of big and little discoveries. It will be a destination where Winnipeggers and tourists alike can experience the best of Winnipeg’s past reflected into the future.

THE CREATIVE HUB
The heart of the Market Lands project is a new seamless “Creative Hub” that will fill nearly an acre on the southern parcel of the site. The Creative Hub will provide creators with access to shared space, equipment and other resources to advance the skills needed to thrive in, and contribute to, the creative economy. These spaces will provide venues to collaborate, innovate, exhibit, and sell creative products.
Fully interactive and accessible to the public, the Creative Hub will build awareness, appreciation, and markets for Manitoba’s creative talent and products. The Creative Hub includes three integrated and complementary components:

Source: MARKET LANDS PROJECT VISION • JUNE 2019.PDF

esquire · #**238** Posted **Jun 19, 2019, 1:01 PM**

Has the City made any sort of commitment to leasing some of the office space as a way of getting the project off the ground? It would seem to me that doing that would be a great way for the City to help this project maximize its chances of success while also benefitting from having a more central location for its departments... pulling in some of the more far flung offices strikes me as a good thing. Get rid of these monuments to the Katz era, i.e. Board of Adjustment in a Shindico strip mall on Pembina

Biff · #**239** Posted **Jun 19, 2019, 1:22 PM**

The Board of Adjustment is no longer there. Moved out at the beginning of the year. They must have feared the wrath of Esquire not approving of them in a Shindico strip mall.

esquire · #**240** Posted **Jun 19, 2019, 1:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

The Board of Adjustment is no longer there. Moved out at the beginning of the year. They must have feared the wrath of Esquire not approving of them in a Shindico strip mall.

Well son of a gun, you made my day. According to the Google, it is now located in the former city archives on William...but how can that be? I thought that building was still water damaged?

But that said, there are still some less egregious examples of far-flung civic departments that could be moved to the Marketlands site.