Park and Ride/TOD idea

[armorand93]

How feasible would it be, to have Assiniboia Downs turn into a Park and Ride, with service by an extended 82, and a new route (23, Downtown 6 am - 7 pm, Unicity 7 pm to 2 am)? Just looking at the transit stops there, they look absolutely desolate except for the Red River Ex. Also, the MTS Iceplex and Downs itself might create some demand.

Also, is Transit Oriented Development a possibility there? Small Suburban neighborhood across from Tim Hortons/Pointe West (200 single fam homes, 100 apartment units, 50 condominium units, possibly a 7-11 or at least a Wendys or A&W)? If that could get built, the 23 could go along some of those roads before the Park n' Ride station, and keep a constant demand going. That or drag out the 82

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by armorand93

How feasible would it be, to have Assiniboia Downs turn into a Park and Ride, with service by an extended 82, and a new route (23, Downtown 6 am - 7 pm, Unicity 7 pm to 2 am)? Just looking at the transit stops there, they look absolutely desolate except for the Red River Ex. Also, the MTS Iceplex and Downs itself might create some demand.

Why should the city pay for a Park and Ride primarily for people not paying property taxes in Winnipeg? I would suspect (that if transit had decent demand) that the majority of people using it would be from places like Headingly, Elie etc.

Originally Posted by armorand93

Also, is Transit Oriented Development a possibility there? Small Suburban neighborhood across from Tim Hortons/Pointe West (200 single fam homes, 100 apartment units, 50 condominium units, possibly a 7-11 or at least a Wendys or A&W)? If that could get built, the 23 could go along some of those roads before the Park n' Ride station, and keep a constant demand going. That or drag out the 82

I would rather have TODs be built closer to downtown and not on the deep fringes of suburbia. Winnipeg has enough pockets within the city that could easily be cleared and used more efficiently.

IMO, better locations for a TOD would be places like the Parker area where there is a large chunk of unused land relatively close to Pembina and only a few kilometers from downtown.

[armorand93]

Just a small one though to start with as a trial run. If things dont work out for 6 months, just leave the transit area for special events only

As for the TOD, wheres the Parker area? I'm rarely down Pembina

[Bdog]

Originally Posted by armorand93

Just a small one though to start with as a trial run. If things dont work out for 6 months, just leave the transit area for special events only

As for the TOD, wheres the Parker area? I'm rarely down Pembina

The Parker Lands are north of Parker Ave (in Fort Garry), and south of the tracks - Just West of the Jubilee Overpass... It's right next to the future phase 2 corridor, and like Hotwired mentioned, would be a perfect spot for TOD (and could potentially house the extension of Sterling Lyon to Pembina). A local developer (who acquired the land through a controversial land-swap with the city) proposed a large-scale townhouse development there a few years ago, but it's going to be a while before that goes through ("pristine" wilderness area, etc.)...

[cslusarc]

I'd really like to see some TOD on the Graham Ave Transit Mall. Aren't threre 4-5 "gravel" at-grade parking lots on that street? Haing a mixed use development on Graham would have huge benefits. But given that construction costs for a well built mixed use tower downtown is a good 50% more expensive per square foot vs a suburban SFU/bungalow how competitve would it be?

[Bdog]

Originally Posted by cslusarc

I'd really like to see some TOD on the Graham Ave Transit Mall. Aren't threre 4-5 "gravel" at-grade parking lots on that street? Haing a mixed use development on Graham would have huge benefits. But given that construction costs for a well built mixed use tower downtown is a good 50% more expensive per square foot vs a suburban SFU/bungalow how competitve would it be?

Are construction costs that much higher downtown? What would make it so - shoring? fees?