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Old Posted Oct 29, 2018, 1:02 PM
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As I recall there's something like 120 million people in a contiguous, high density urban megalopolis there with only tiny gaps (which are only gaps depending on whether or not you think the gaps can qualify as urban) It's probably the best example of a megalopolis anywhere. If we decide it's only 30 million then where are we drawing our lines here?
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This number is bogus. The entire Guangdong province, which is the size of England+Wales, has 108 million people, mostly rural. Foshan-Guangzhou-Dongguan-Shenzhen put together have 45 million.
The 120 million number is a weird one. It seems to have come from a widely reported UN report that came out in 2010/2011. PDF of that report here - the 120 million and the 60 million figure i cite in the next sentence are on the 30th page of the PDF. The same report also said that Nagoya-Osaka-Kyoto-Kobe in Japan has 60 million people. In both cases, the number is approximately double the actual regional populations. How that happened is anybody's guess - possibly everything was double-counted, although other regions appear to be in the correct range, so who knows
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2018, 1:04 PM
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The Rhein-Ruhr is a singular population agglomeration, but no one would consider themselves part of the same region. Cologne and Düsseldorf are historically very different (economy, food, religion, accent, sport) and the Ruhr is quite distinct from the other two.

Cologne-Bonn is a "metro" in the U.S. sense, and possibly the Ruhr excluding Düsseldorf.

In Germany everything can change in 10 km; in the U.S. you can drive for 200 km and nothing changes. Another difference is that all cities are separated by "rural" land, even two cities with adjacent political boundaries, as in Ruhr, so there is never continuous development.
But than you need to be coherent. If you place Guangzhou and Shenzhen or Boston and Providence into the same metro/urban area, Duisburg and Düsseldorf must be placed under the same.

I don't think cultural differences or even separated labour markets should be an issue there. Such things happen even in monocentric urban areas like São Paulo or Tokyo. The fact is Rhein-Ruhr is all on the same state and are a continuous and rather compact urban area. Ditto for Leeds-Bradford or even Manchester-Liverpool.

BTW I'm curious: why don't the German urban areas don't touch each other. Do they have greenbelts like the British or it's just a random coincidence?
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2018, 1:16 PM
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The 120 million number is a weird one. It seems to have come from a widely reported UN report that came out in 2010/2011. PDF of that report here - the 120 million and the 60 million figure i cite in the next sentence are on the 30th page of the PDF. The same report also said that Nagoya-Osaka-Kyoto-Kobe in Japan has 60 million people. In both cases, the number is approximately double the actual regional populations. How that happened is anybody's guess - possibly everything was double-counted, although other regions appear to be in the correct range, so who knows
In the Japanese case, it seems it's actually underestimated. Tokyo ranges from 36-38 million, Nagoya 10 million, Osaka-Kyoto 18 million and I believe Shizuoka is not counted in neither of those areas. It's 70 million people there, although that's clearly a megalopolis, not a metro area, even by the widest definition.
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But than you need to be coherent. If you place Guangzhou and Shenzhen or Boston and Providence into the same metro/urban area, Duisburg and Düsseldorf must be placed under the same.
I don't think these areas should be considered metros. Maybe economic regions or something.

My larger point is that metro classifications are highly variable by nation, so you wouldn't expect similar sized metros, or even a similar metro framework.

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I don't think cultural differences or even separated labour markets should be an issue there. Such things happen even in monocentric urban areas like São Paulo or Tokyo. The fact is Rhein-Ruhr is all on the same state and are a continuous and rather compact urban area. Ditto for Leeds-Bradford or even Manchester-Liverpool.
NRW is an artificial construct, created in the postwar era. The Rheinland portion (Catholic, at one time French, wine-oriented) and former Westfalen (Lutheran, Prussian, industrial) are still distinct today. Cologne-Bonn have more in common with Rheinland Pfalz (state to immediate south) than the rest of NRW.

In any case, if you want to call the entire area a "metro", you would have to include Rheinland Pfalz, because Koblenz is very tied to Cologne/Bonn. They're the same culturally and have strong commuting patterns.

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BTW I'm curious: why don't the German urban areas don't touch each other. Do they have greenbelts like the British or it's just a random coincidence?
Yes, they have greenbelts. The development just stops.

This is the city border betwen Essen and Bochum, two of the largest Ruhr-area cities:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4605...7i13312!8i6656
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Yes, they have greenbelts. The development just stops.

This is the city border betwen Essen and Bochum, two of the largest Ruhr-area cities:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4605...7i13312!8i6656
It's crazy! I didn't expect to see maize in Germany, specially right in the heart of Ruhr metropolis. It's very weird to see farmland completely encircled by dense urban area, instead of the other way round.
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It's crazy! I didn't expect to see maize in Germany, specially right in the heart of Ruhr metropolis. It's very weird to see farmland completely encircled by dense urban area, instead of the other way round.
Not only that, but this rural landscape is less than 4 miles from Essen city center (600k people) and maybe 1.5 miles from Bochum city center (400k people).

Germany has basically no sprawl. It's just little villages at the city edge, and new neighborhoods are only added within restricted boundaries.

Maize, BTW, was traditionally not for human consumption in Germany. It was typically only for livestock.
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Just quote his post, like if your going to reply, and you can see the format used. Quick way to utilize it. Use the "----" or "...." to keep it aligned.
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In the Japanese case, it seems it's actually underestimated. Tokyo ranges from 36-38 million, Nagoya 10 million, Osaka-Kyoto 18 million and I believe Shizuoka is not counted in neither of those areas. It's 70 million people there, although that's clearly a megalopolis, not a metro area, even by the widest definition.
You're right - for some reason I missed that Tokyo was part of that megalopolis. Which makes the 120 mil number all the weirder.
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In the US sense they'd probably both be considered metro areas, given the continuous nature of development and the interconnectedness of the cities in the regions (both by expressway and by high speed / commuter rail).
They're not just connected but now contiguous (go on Google Earth). Sometime in the last decade a wondering finger of Shenzhen (12 million) connected up with Dongguan (8 million), which is across the river from Guangzhou-Foshan (14 million) - as in one can walk from one end to the other on a city street sided by buildings. This is why the World Bank named it as the world's biggest single city in 2015. Hong Kong isn't counted due to the border and the fact a few miles of paddy fields still separates it from Shenzhen.

Although the 42 million strong city is known as the Pearl River Metropolis (not to be confused with the Pearl River Delta agglomeration that counts >60 million) you'll increasingly see it now just referred to as 'Guangzhou'.



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https://supermouse.blog/2016/06/06/t...-biggest-city/

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Differing patterns of exurban urbanity:

https://pudding.cool/2018/10/city_3d/



NYC takes in large areas of low density countryside due to counts based on low level commuting between nodes





London is very evenly spread out (Green Belt legislation), and actually goes on in the same format and density across most of England, one of the world's densest islands (50 million urbanites in an area smaller than Maine, which on US levels would count as one CSA).



zoomed out:





Jakarta, now over 30 million wouldn't really know where to stop counting - residing on THE world's densest island with >140 million




Tokyo is probably the easiest to define, very contiguous with very few jumps




Manila the world's densest megacity is also very easily defined - almost worryingly so




And this is the world's biggest city Guangzhou-Dongguan-Shenzhen. It's so big we've had to zoom out.


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Maize, BTW, was traditionally not for human consumption in Germany. It was typically only for livestock.
Same for maize in the UK, there's a lot of it in my region but it is all (the whole plant) used as animal feed, green maize I think they call it, because the lack of warmth/sun means it doesn't ripen enough for human consumption.

I've grown my own and you can get some nice sweet corn cobs for eating but presumably those varieties are not commercially viable on a big scale.
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Germany has basically no sprawl. It's just little villages at the city edge, and new neighborhoods are only added within restricted boundaries.

Maize, BTW, was traditionally not for human consumption in Germany. It was typically only for livestock.
Question:

Will Germany become more like America or more like Asia considering the fact that they will face population decline and economic stagnation this century?

Second question:

How will this reality from question #1 have an effect tomorrow's sprawl pattern given the technological advances from today's society?
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I don't think they will necessarily have population decline, that depends on immigration as well as internal births and deaths
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Another region that's emerging is São Paulo Macrometropolitan Area and as soon as 2030, it will be widely considered na ordinary metropolitan area, with 35-36 million inh. then.

It has several definitions, but that's how it behaved in the past Census. State, macrometropolitan area, metropolitan area and municipality respectively:

--------------------------------- 2010 -------- 2000 -------- 1991 ----- Growth 10-00 & 00-91
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BRASIL --------------- 190.747.731 -- 169.799.170 -- 146.825.475 --- 12,34% --- 15,65%

SÃO PAULO (st) -------- 41.262.199 --- 37.032.403 --- 31.588.925 --- 11,42% --- 17,23%

SÃO PAULO (ma) -------- 29.963.735 --- 26.764.702 --- 22.661.098 --- 11,95% --- 18,11%

SÃO PAULO (me) -------- 19.683.975 --- 17.878.703 --- 15.444.941 --- 10,10% --- 15,76%

SÃO PAULO (mu) -------- 11.253.503 --- 10.434.252 ---- 9.646.185 ---- 7,85% ---- 8,17%
For the first time since the beginning of Brazilian Census (1872), São Paulo state grew slower than Brazil as a whole. São Paulo's suburbs (metropolitan area) is slowing faster, while municipality and exurbs (macrometropolitan area) is slowing slower.

And all those metropolitan arrangements around it, shielded São Paulo metro area from a rust belt type of decline.

Till today, 44% of manufacturing wages in Brazil are paid in São Paulo state. In the past, most of it was inside the metropolitan area. Nowadays, a big chunk of it migrated to Campinas, Jundiaí, Sorocaba and São José dos Campos regions. Equally, exurban sprawl, logistic centres are also just outside, in the Campinas-Sorocaba-Jundiaí triangle. Manufacturing moved just few kms away, not damaging local socialeconomics.
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The strongest link in the Macrometropolis is between São Paulo and Campinas (100 km northwards), with Jundiaí region cramped half way. There is continuous (and dense) urban sprawl all over the regions. You can't notice while driving in the two highways (16 lanes overall) that connected this area.

That's how they behaved population wise (metro areas):

----------------------------- 2010 ------ 2000 --- Growth %
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SÃO PAULO -------------- 19,683,975 -- 17,878,703 --- 10.10%
JUNDIAÍ ------------------- 633,273 ----- 529,990 --- 19.49%
CAMPINAS ---------------- 2,630,893 --- 2,209,558 --- 19.07%
Now, the growth on the links. Southern Campinas metro area (two municipalities, wealthier) and northwestern São Paulo metro area (four municipalities, poorer):

----------------------------- 2010 ------ 2000 --- Growth %
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Northwest SP MA ----------- 436,719 ----- 363,842 --- 20.03%
South Camp MA ------------- 170,404 ----- 130,188 --- 30.89%
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I don't think they will necessarily have population decline, that depends on immigration as well as internal births and deaths
The data I've read from the EU states otherwise. They're expected to lose population, while the UK and France will gain.
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Not only that, but this rural landscape is less than 4 miles from Essen city center (600k people) and maybe 1.5 miles from Bochum city center (400k people).

Germany has basically no sprawl. It's just little villages at the city edge, and new neighborhoods are only added within restricted boundaries.

Maize, BTW, was traditionally not for human consumption in Germany. It was typically only for livestock.
check out these maps and you will see you are quite wrong
http://luminocity3d.org/WorldPopDen/#9/51.2146/6.9337
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check out these maps and you will see you are quite wrong
http://luminocity3d.org/WorldPopDen/#9/51.2146/6.9337
I looked at that link, and have no idea what you're talking about.

What, exactly, are you arguing?
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Updating the list:

Largest Urban Agglomerations in the World 2019

By City Population and Demographia

City Population http://citypopulation.de/world/Agglomerations.html

Europe
Code:
MOSCOW ------------------ 17,200,000
LONDON ------------------ 14,700,000
PARIS ------------------- 11,400,000
MADRID ------------------- 6,450,000
RUHR --------------------- 5,700,000
SAINT PETERSBURG --------- 5,600,000
MILAN -------------------- 5,200,000
COLOGNE-DÜSSELDORF ------- 5,000,000
BERLIN ------------------- 4,750,000
BARCELONA ---------------- 4,725,000
NAPOLI ------------------- 4,225,000
ROME --------------------- 3,575,000
KIEV --------------------- 3,450,000
ATHENS ------------------- 3,350,000
FRANKFURT ---------------- 3,275,000
ROTTERDAM ---------------- 3,225,000
BIRMINGHAM --------------- 3,125,000
MANCHESTER --------------- 3,050,000
HAMBURG ------------------ 2,875,000
BUDAPEST ----------------- 2,600,000
LISBON ------------------- 2,550,000
AMSTERDAM ---------------- 2,450,000
STUTTGART ---------------- 2,425,000
KATOWICE ----------------- 2,350,000
WARSAW ------------------- 2,325,000
MUNICH ------------------- 2,275,000
VIENNA ------------------- 2,250,000
BUCHAREST ---------------- 2,200,000
STOCKHOLM ---------------- 2,200,000
LEEDS -------------------- 2,150,000
BRUSSELS ----------------- 2,050,000
MINSK -------------------- 2,000,000

America
Code:
MEXICO CITY ------------- 22,800,000
NEW YORK ---------------- 22,400,000
SÃO PAULO --------------- 22,200,000
LOS ANGELES ------------- 17,800,000
BUENOS AIRES ------------ 16,300,000
RIO DE JANEIRO ---------- 13,100,000
LIMA --------------------- 9,900,000
BOGOTÁ ------------------- 9,800,000
CHICAGO ------------------ 9,750,000
WASHINGTON-BALTIMORE ----- 8,550,000
SAN FRANCISCO ------------ 7,850,000
BOSTON ------------------- 7,650,000
PHILADELPHIA ------------- 7,350,000
TORONTO ------------------ 7,350,000
SANTIAGO ----------------- 7,200,000
DALLAS ------------------- 7,100,000
HOUSTON ------------------ 6,600,000
MIAMI -------------------- 6,350,000
ATLANTA ------------------ 5,800,000
DETROIT ------------------ 5,700,000
GUADALAJARA -------------- 5,250,000
BELO HORIZONTE ----------- 4,975,000
MONTERREY ---------------- 4,925,000
PHOENIX ------------------ 4,575,000
SEATTLE ------------------ 4,375,000
TAMPA -------------------- 4,300,000
MONTREAL ----------------- 4,250,000
PORTO ALEGRE ------------- 4,100,000
MEDELLÍN ----------------- 3,950,000
BRASÍLIA ----------------- 3,925,000
SANTO DOMINGO ------------ 3,900,000
RECIFE ------------------- 3,825,000
CARACAS ------------------ 3,775,000
DENVER ------------------- 3,700,000
FORTALEZA ---------------- 3,650,000
SALVADOR ----------------- 3,575,000
CURITIBA ----------------- 3,375,000
ORLANDO ------------------ 3,375,000
SAN DIEGO ---------------- 3,325,000
CAMPINAS ----------------- 3,175,000
GUATEMALA CITY ----------- 3,150,000
MINNEAPOLIS -------------- 3,150,000
GUAYAQUIL ---------------- 3,125,000
PORT-AU-PRINCE ----------- 3,125,000
PUEBLA ------------------- 3,125,000
CLEVELAND ---------------- 3,075,000
CALI --------------------- 3,050,000
CINCINNATI --------------- 2,775,000
VANCOUVER ---------------- 2,750,000
QUITO -------------------- 2,675,000
MARACAIBO ---------------- 2,600,000
CHARLOTTE ---------------- 2,425,000
SALT LAKE CITY ----------- 2,425,000
PORTLAND ----------------- 2,400,000
GOIÂNIA ------------------ 2,375,000
SAN JOSÉ ----------------- 2,350,000
ST. LOUIS ---------------- 2,350,000
ASUNCIÓN ----------------- 2,300,000
TOLUCA ------------------- 2,275,000
LAS VEGAS ---------------- 2,250,000
BELÉM -------------------- 2,225,000
HAVANA ------------------- 2,225,000
MANAUS ------------------- 2,175,000
SAN ANTONIO -------------- 2,175,000
BARRANQUILLA ------------- 2,075,000
LA PAZ ------------------- 2,075,000
SACRAMENTO --------------- 2,075,000
SANTA CRUZ DE LA SIERRA -- 2,075,000
PITTSBURGH --------------- 2,050,000
SAN JUAN ----------------- 2,025,000
VALENCIA ----------------- 2,000,000

Oceania
Code:
SYDNEY ------------------- 5,200,000
MELBOURNE ---------------- 4,850,000
BRISBANE ----------------- 3,075,000
PERTH -------------------- 2,050,000

Africa
Code:
CAIRO ------------------- 20,500,000
LAGOS ------------------- 18,800,000
JOHANNESBURG-PRETORIA --- 13,700,000
KINSHASA ---------------- 12,000,000
LUANDA ------------------- 7,900,000
KHARTOUM ----------------- 6,150,000
DAR ES SALAAM ------------ 6,150,000
NAIROBI ------------------ 5,950,000
ALEXANDRIA --------------- 5,700,000
ABIDJAN ------------------ 5,450,000
ACCRA -------------------- 4,950,000
KANO --------------------- 4,550,000
CASABLANCA --------------- 4,425,000
CAPE TOWN ---------------- 4,175,000
ALGIERS ------------------ 3,900,000
ADDIS ABABA -------------- 3,725,000
DAKAR -------------------- 3,600,000
IBADAN ------------------- 3,475,000
KAMPALA ------------------ 3,400,000
ABUJA -------------------- 3,375,000
BAMAKO ------------------- 3,375,000
DURBAN ------------------- 3,375,000
YAOUNDÉ ------------------ 3,300,000
DOUALA ------------------- 3,250,000
KUMASI ------------------- 2,950,000
MAPUTO ------------------- 2,875,000
TUNIS -------------------- 2,625,000
LUSAKA ------------------- 2,575,000
OUAGADOUGOU -------------- 2,525,000
ANTANANARIVO ------------- 2,450,000
CONACRY ------------------ 2,450,000
PORT HARCOURT ------------ 2,275,000
BRAZZAVILLE -------------- 2,175,000
LUBUMBASHI --------------- 2,125,000
HARARE ------------------- 2,050,000
LOMÉ --------------------- 2,025,000
RABAT -------------------- 2,025,000
MBUJI-MAYI --------------- 2,000,000

Middle-East/Central Asia
Code:
ISTANBUL ---------------- 15,800,000
TEHRAN ------------------ 15,000,000
RIYADH ------------------- 7,750,000
BAGHDAD ------------------ 6,850,000
AMMAN -------------------- 5,450,000
ANKARA ------------------- 4,975,000
DUBAI -------------------- 4,900,000
JEDDAH ------------------- 4,775,000
KUWAIT CITY -------------- 4,675,000
DAMASCUS ----------------- 3,750,000
TASHKENT ----------------- 3,175,000
ISFAHAN ------------------ 3,150,000
MESHED ------------------- 3,150,000
IZMIR -------------------- 3,025,000
SANAA -------------------- 2,725,000
TEL AVIV ----------------- 2,650,000
BAKU --------------------- 2,550,000
DAMMAM ------------------- 2,450,000
DOHA --------------------- 2,300,000
MECCA -------------------- 2,075,000
BURSA -------------------- 2,050,000
ALMA-ATA ----------------- 2,025,000

South Asia
Code:
NEW DELHI --------------- 29,400,000
BOMBAY ------------------ 24,700,000
DACCA ------------------- 19,500,000
KARACHI ----------------- 17,300,000
CALCUTTA ---------------- 16,600,000
LAHORE ------------------ 12,600,000
BANGALORE --------------- 11,800,000
MADRAS ------------------ 11,000,000
HYDERABAD ---------------- 9,850,000
AHMEDABAD ---------------- 8,250,000
POONA -------------------- 6,700,000
SURAT -------------------- 6,350,000
CHITTAGONG --------------- 4,825,000
COLOMBO ------------------ 4,725,000
KABUL -------------------- 4,150,000
JAIPUR ------------------- 3,850,000
LUCKNOW ------------------ 3,625,000
FAISALABAD --------------- 3,575,000
KANPUR ------------------- 3,425,000
RAWALPINDI --------------- 3,350,000
NAGPUR ------------------- 3,200,000
INDORE ------------------- 3,075,000
KATHMANDU ---------------- 3,025,000
BHILAI ------------------- 2,800,000
GUJRANWALA --------------- 2,675,000
COIMBATORE --------------- 2,650,000
PATNA -------------------- 2,625,000
BHOPAL ------------------- 2,350,000
CHANDIGARH --------------- 2,275,000
PESHAWAR ----------------- 2,275,000
AGRA --------------------- 2,225,000
HYDERABAD ---------------- 2,200,000
VADODARA ----------------- 2,175,000
VISHAKHAPATNAM ----------- 2,150,000
MULTAN ------------------- 2,050,000
NASIK -------------------- 2,025,000

East/Southeast Asia
Code:
GUANGZHOU --------------- 45,600,000
TOKYO ------------------- 40,200,000
SHANGHAI ---------------- 35,900,000
JAKARTA ----------------- 30,600,000
MANILA ------------------ 25,200,000
SEOUL ------------------- 24,700,000
BEIJING ----------------- 20,400,000
BANGKOK ----------------- 18,300,000
OSAKA-KYOTO ------------- 17,700,000
TIANJIN ----------------- 13,200,000
NAGOYA ------------------ 10,500,000
XIAMEN ------------------- 9,900,000
CHENGDU ------------------ 9,800,000
TAIPEI ------------------- 9,100,000
WUHAN -------------------- 8,850,000
KUALA LUMPUR ------------- 8,700,000
SAIGON ------------------- 8,600,000
HANGZHOU ----------------- 8,300,000
CHONGQING ---------------- 8,050,000
SHENYANG ----------------- 7,900,000
SINGAPORE ---------------- 7,800,000
SHANTOU ------------------ 7,700,000
HONG KONG ---------------- 7,450,000
BANDUNG ------------------ 6,850,000
XIAN --------------------- 6,800,000
NANJING ------------------ 6,700,000
SURABAYA ----------------- 6,000,000
QINGDAO ------------------ 5,950,000
RANGOON ------------------ 5,500,000
ZHENGZHOU ---------------- 5,350,000
WENZHOU ------------------ 5,250,000
HARBIN ------------------- 5,150,000
HEFEI -------------------- 4,825,000
CHANGSHA ----------------- 4,750,000
DALIAN ------------------- 4,550,000
SHIJIAZHUANG ------------- 4,400,000
FUZHOU ------------------- 4,250,000
JINAN -------------------- 4,250,000
BUSAN -------------------- 4,125,000
TAIYUAN ------------------ 4,125,000
KUNMING ------------------ 4,050,000
ÜRÜMQI ------------------- 3,975,000
MEDAN -------------------- 3,950,000
HANOI -------------------- 3,900,000
NANCHANG ----------------- 3,825,000
CHANGCHUN ---------------- 3,650,000
ZIBO --------------------- 3,450,000
NANNING ------------------ 3,350,000
NINGBO ------------------- 3,225,000
GUIYANG ------------------ 3,200,000
PYONGYANG ---------------- 2,925,000
XUZHOU ------------------- 2,825,000
KAOHSIUNG ---------------- 2,800,000
LANZHOU ------------------ 2,800,000
TANGSHAN ----------------- 2,800,000
DAEGU -------------------- 2,750,000
HUIZHOU ------------------ 2,750,000
FUKUOKA ------------------ 2,725,000
CEBU --------------------- 2,650,000
ANSHAN ------------------- 2,600,000
LUOYANG ------------------ 2,600,000
JIANGYIN ----------------- 2,500,000
SAPPORO ------------------ 2,475,000
TAICHUNG ----------------- 2,425,000
TAIZHOU ------------------ 2,250,000
BAOTOU ------------------- 2,200,000
OKAYAMA ------------------ 2,200,000
SEMARANG ----------------- 2,200,000
PHNON PENH --------------- 2,175,000
XINXIANG ----------------- 2,175,000
YANTAI ------------------- 2,150,000
GEORGE TOWN -------------- 2,075,000
KITAKYUSHU --------------- 2,025,000
LINYI -------------------- 2,025,000
NANTONG ------------------ 2,025,000
HUAINAN ------------------ 2,000,000









Demographia
http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf

Europe
Code:
MOSCOW ------------------ 16,555,000
PARIS ------------------- 10,960,000
LONDON ------------------ 10,840,000
ESSEN-DÜSSELDORF --------- 6,660,000
MADRID ------------------- 6,345,000
SAINT PETERSBURG --------- 5,415,000
MILAN -------------------- 5,295,000
BARCELONA ---------------- 4,810,000
BERLIN ------------------- 4,060,000
ROME --------------------- 3,995,000
NAPOLI ------------------- 3,690,000
ATHENS ------------------- 3,495,000
KIEV --------------------- 2,835,000
LISBON ------------------- 2,705,000
MANCHESTER --------------- 2,705,000
ROTTERDAM ---------------- 2,680,000
BIRMINGHAM --------------- 2,585,000
BUDAPEST ----------------- 2,520,000
WARSAW ------------------- 2,300,000
COLOGNE-BONN ------------- 2,260,000
KATOWICE ----------------- 2,155,000
BRUSSELS ----------------- 2,135,000
MUNICH ------------------- 2,060,000
HAMBURG ------------------ 2,050,000
BUCHAREST ---------------- 2,040,000
MINSK -------------------- 2,025,000
FRANKFURT ---------------- 2,005,000

America
Code:
NEW YORK ---------------- 21,045,000
SÃO PAULO --------------- 20,935,000
MEXICO CITY ------------- 20,395,000
LOS ANGELES ------------- 15,440,000
BUENOS AIRES ------------ 15,130,000
RIO DE JANEIRO ---------- 12,070,000
LIMA -------------------- 11,460,000
BOGOTÁ ------------------ 10,705,000
CHICAGO ------------------ 9,275,000
WASHINGTON-BALTIMORE ----- 7,515,000
BOSTON ------------------- 7,130,000
TORONTO ------------------ 6,630,000
DALLAS ------------------- 6,550,000
SANTIAGO ----------------- 6,410,000
HOUSTON ------------------ 6,315,000
SAN FRANCISCO ------------ 6,100,000
MIAMI -------------------- 5,955,000
PHILADELPHIA ------------- 5,780,000
ATLANTA ------------------ 5,580,000
GUADALAJARA -------------- 4,870,000
BELO HORIZONTE ----------- 4,800,000
PHOENIX ------------------ 4,480,000
MONTERREY ---------------- 4,345,000
DETROIT ------------------ 4,050,000
SANTO DOMINGO ------------ 3,810,000
SEATTLE ------------------ 3,715,000
MEDELLÍN ----------------- 3,680,000
MONTREAL ----------------- 3,600,000
RECIFE ------------------- 3,570,000
PORTO ALEGRE ------------- 3,500,000
FORTALEZA ---------------- 3,480,000
SALVADOR ----------------- 3,325,000
BRASÍLIA ----------------- 3,320,000
CURITIBA ----------------- 3,190,000
SAN DIEGO ---------------- 3,175,000
GUAYAQUIL ---------------- 2,940,000
PORT-AU-PRINCE ----------- 2,900,000
CARACAS ------------------ 2,900,000
MINNEAPOLIS -------------- 2,855,000
ASUNCIÓN ----------------- 2,815,000
CLEVELAND ---------------- 2,815,000
CAMPINAS ----------------- 2,770,000
TAMPA -------------------- 2,745,000
DENVER ------------------- 2,690,000
QUITO -------------------- 2,465,000
ORLANDO ------------------ 2,455,000
CALI --------------------- 2,445,000
CHARLOTTE ---------------- 2,440,000
LAS VEGAS ---------------- 2,415,000
GOIÂNIA ------------------ 2,340,000
VANCOUVER ---------------- 2,340,000
ST. LOUIS ---------------- 2,295,000
SALT LAKE CITY ----------- 2,260,000
PUEBLA ------------------- 2,210,000
MARACAIBO ---------------- 2,200,000
GUATEMALA CITY ----------- 2,185,000
SANTA CRUZ DE LA SIERRA -- 2,145,000
SAN ANTONIO -------------- 2,130,000
SAN JUAN ----------------- 2,125,000
HAVANA ------------------- 2,070,000
TOLUCA ------------------- 2,070,000
BELÉM -------------------- 2,060,000
PORTLAND ----------------- 2,060,000
MANAUS ------------------- 2,010,000
LA PAZ ------------------- 2,005,000

Oceania
Code:
SYDNEY ------------------- 4,515,000
MELBOURNE ---------------- 4,450,000
BRISBANE ----------------- 2,150,000

Africa
Code:
CAIRO ------------------- 16,925,000
LAGOS ------------------- 14,630,000
KINSHASA ---------------- 12,960,000
JOHANNESBURG ------------- 9,335,000
ONITSHA ------------------ 8,075,000
LUANDA ------------------- 7,645,000
NAIROBI ------------------ 5,970,000
KHARTOUM ----------------- 5,685,000
ABIDJAN ------------------ 5,145,000
DAR ES SALAAM ------------ 5,085,000
ALEXANDRIA --------------- 5,075,000
CASABLANCA --------------- 4,490,000
ACCRA -------------------- 4,335,000
CAPE TOWN ---------------- 4,260,000
ADDIS ABABA -------------- 4,225,000
KANO --------------------- 3,980,000
ALGIERS ------------------ 3,820,000
YAOUNDÉ ------------------ 3,665,000
DURBAN ------------------- 3,505,000
DOUALA ------------------- 3,425,000
PRETORIA ----------------- 3,375,000
KUMASI ------------------- 3,325,000
DAKAR -------------------- 3,305,000
IBADAN ------------------- 3,155,000
BAMAKO ------------------- 3,140,000
LUSAKA ------------------- 3,030,000
OUAGADOUGOU -------------- 2,910,000
KAMPALA ------------------ 2,895,000
ANTANANARIVO ------------- 2,800,000
ABUJA -------------------- 2,695,000
MAPUTO ------------------- 2,680,000
MOGADISHU ---------------- 2,555,000
MBUJI-MAYI --------------- 2,395,000
TUNIS -------------------- 2,375,000
LUBUMBASHI --------------- 2,365,000
UYO ---------------------- 2,360,000
HARARE ------------------- 2,280,000
BRAZZAVILLE -------------- 2,140,000
PORT HARCOURT ------------ 2,130,000
RABAT -------------------- 2,070,000

Middle-East/Central Asia
Code:
TEHRAN ------------------ 14,410,000
ISTANBUL ---------------- 13,860,000
BAGHDAD ------------------ 7,315,000
RIYADH ------------------- 6,050,000
AMMAN -------------------- 5,455,000
ALEPPO ------------------- 5,125,000
ANKARA ------------------- 4,795,000
KUWAIT CITY -------------- 4,600,000
JEDDAH ------------------- 3,935,000
DUBAI -------------------- 3,745,000
TEL AVIV ----------------- 3,590,000
SANAA -------------------- 3,425,000
MESHED ------------------- 3,420,000
IZMIR -------------------- 3,135,000
DAMASCUS ----------------- 2,810,000
ISFAHAN ------------------ 2,610,000
BAKU --------------------- 2,600,000
TASHKENT ----------------- 2,355,000
BEIRUT ------------------- 2,260,000

South Asia
Code:
NEW DELHI --------------- 28,125,000
BOMBAY ------------------ 23,645,000
DACCA ------------------- 18,595,000
CALCUTTA ---------------- 15,215,000
KARACHI ----------------- 13,470,000
LAHORE ------------------ 11,545,000
BANGALORE --------------- 11,250,000
MADRAS ------------------ 10,560,000
HYDERABAD ---------------- 9,580,000
AHMEDABAD ---------------- 7,715,000
SURAT -------------------- 6,385,000
POONA -------------------- 6,265,000
COLOMBO ------------------ 4,370,000
RAWALPINDI-ISLAMABAD ----- 4,170,000
KABUL -------------------- 3,960,000
JAIPUR ------------------- 3,745,000
LUCKNOW ------------------ 3,520,000
CHITTAGONG --------------- 3,460,000
FAISALABAD --------------- 3,355,000
KANPUR ------------------- 3,175,000
CALICUT ------------------ 3,045,000
KATHMANDU ---------------- 3,045,000
NAGPUR ------------------- 2,860,000
KOCHI -------------------- 2,810,000
INDORE ------------------- 2,795,000
MALAPPURAM --------------- 2,770,000
THRISSUR ----------------- 2,670,000
COIMBATORE --------------- 2,660,000
PATNA -------------------- 2,385,000
THIRUVANANTHAPURAM ------- 2,325,000
GUJRANWALA --------------- 2,325,000
SAVAR -------------------- 2,290,000
BHOPAL ------------------- 2,285,000
VADODARA ----------------- 2,130,000
PESHAWAR ----------------- 2,130,000
AGRA --------------------- 2,105,000
KANNUR ------------------- 2,050,000
HYDERABAD ---------------- 2,035,000

East/Southeast Asia
Code:
TOKYO ------------------- 38,505,000
JAKARTA ----------------- 34,365,000
MANILA ------------------ 25,065,000
SEOUL ------------------- 24,315,000
SHANGHAI ---------------- 22,125,000
GUANGZHOU --------------- 20,130,000
BEIJING ----------------- 19,430,000
OSAKA-KYOTO ------------- 17,150,000
BANGKOK ----------------- 16,045,000
SHENZHEN ---------------- 13,195,000
TIANJIN ----------------- 13,035,000
CHENGDU ----------------- 12,160,000
SAIGON ------------------ 10,955,000
NAGOYA ------------------ 10,240,000
TAIPEI ------------------- 8,535,000
WUHAN -------------------- 8,470,000
DONGGUAN ----------------- 8,410,000
HANOI -------------------- 8,350,000
CHONGQING ---------------- 8,300,000
KUALA LUMPUR ------------- 7,860,000
HONG KONG ---------------- 7,435,000
XIAN --------------------- 7,135,000
ZHENGZHOU ---------------- 7,090,000
SHENYANG ----------------- 7,055,000
HANGZHOU ----------------- 6,960,000
QUANZHOU ----------------- 6,495,000
NANJING ------------------ 6,125,000
QINGDAO ------------------ 5,915,000
BANDUNG ------------------ 5,825,000
SINGAPORE ---------------- 5,670,000
RANGOON ------------------ 5,585,000
SUZHOU ------------------- 5,250,000
HARBIN ------------------- 4,740,000
SURABAYA ----------------- 4,360,000
GUIYANG ------------------ 4,275,000
DALIAN ------------------- 4,085,000
HEFEI -------------------- 4,010,000
JINAN -------------------- 3,990,000
XIAMEN ------------------- 3,975,000
FUZHOU ------------------- 3,940,000
CHANGSHA ----------------- 3,900,000
KUNMING ------------------ 3,730,000
ÜRÜMQI ------------------- 3,695,000
CHANGCHUN ---------------- 3,675,000
TAIYUAN ------------------ 3,580,000
WENZHOU ------------------ 3,550,000
NINGBO ------------------- 3,525,000
SHIJIAZHUANG ------------- 3,500,000
WUXI --------------------- 3,480,000
MEDAN -------------------- 3,400,000
BUSAN -------------------- 3,385,000
CHANGZHOU ---------------- 3,210,000
ZHONGSHAN ---------------- 3,005,000
NANCHANG ----------------- 2,945,000
CHAOYANG ----------------- 2,940,000
PYONGYANG ---------------- 2,940,000
NANNING ------------------ 2,840,000
LINYI -------------------- 2,715,000
ZIBO --------------------- 2,670,000
CEBU --------------------- 2,645,000
TAICHUNG ----------------- 2,635,000
SHANTOU ------------------ 2,585,000
ZHANGJIAGGANG ------------ 2,570,000
LANZHOU ------------------ 2,565,000
KAOHSIUNG ---------------- 2,565,000
FUKUOKA ------------------ 2,480,000
YANTAI ------------------- 2,385,000
DAEGU -------------------- 2,340,000
TANGSHAN ----------------- 2,315,000
SAPPORO ------------------ 2,310,000
LUOYANG ------------------ 2,255,000
BAOTOU ------------------- 2,220,000
HOHHOT ------------------- 2,200,000
PUTIAN ------------------- 2,190,000
PHNOM PENH --------------- 2,110,000
SHAOXING ----------------- 2,055,000
YOGYAKARTA --------------- 2,045,000


I talked to the Demographia's admin last year and presented him with the problems regarding Detroit and Cleveland urban areas (discussed on page 1) and he corrected that in this edition. He also corrected down Chinese cities whose numbers were more metro areas than urban areas, the latter being the criteria used by Demographia
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Guangzhou-Shenzhen is one single contiguous urban area now (42 million in 2010) not a metro count (60+million). They are a physically conjoined city, where one can walk on paved streets surrounded by buildings from one end to the other. No countryside, no jumps.



The 2015 World Bank Report is here which announced it had become the world's most populous urban area.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/...-biggest-city/

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