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Old Posted Sep 29, 2013, 2:24 AM
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Lorendoc, it took me quite awhile to figure all this out.


I agree, I think the view in question is a photo-montage. -but why...what was gained?
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2013, 5:25 AM
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936 South Hope - National Cash Register Building. From directory listings, NCR apparently occupied the building from '32 through '67. Appears to have been another forgotten art deco gem. Anyone have a color photo of the building?


Photos were likely taken in early '30s.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...V8AUJBLNIL.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...FSEC2P2GDI.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...KNECC9H7B2.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...295M1MVFNJ.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...9DCKA8FJV4.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...2E6FF4KM7Q.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...7PU4A82GNV.jpg



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Old Posted Sep 29, 2013, 5:54 AM
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Ninth and Hope Streets was also the former home of B'nai B'rith Synagogue.

Difficulty viewing, look here => http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/4682/rec/23


Circa '1902 (From the look of things, the name "Dusty" was probably a popular name.)









Curious about what appears to be short stacks of timbers on the sidewalk. Part of the building, or something to do with public works (RR ties?) ?




Impressive lookout tower. Notice the other utility poles, they literally pale in comparison and seem dysfunctional.








http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...Bnai_Brith.jpg

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Old Posted Sep 29, 2013, 6:13 AM
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I thought we'd covered the Nikabob and El Cholo at some point, but danged if I can find them on a search of the thread...


And then there was--and is--El Cholo, still at 1121 S. Western:
LAPL
1931

LAPL
1937

LAPL
1952

Which morphed into
Google Street View

Next door, a surviving bungalow, which once might have been Wally Fay's office:
Google Street View





Seems only fitting that we peek inside, circa '27 (Opening day!) Curious about the bottles, pre-prohibition reminders or maybe news of the Volstead Act hadn't made it south of 10th Street?


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008704.jpg


More on El Cholo's history => http://elcholopasadena.com/history/


http://mexicanfoodpasadena.com/wp-co...-history-2.png



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Old Posted Sep 29, 2013, 6:31 AM
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I took the L.A. Conservancy's Union Station tour yesterday, which was excellent. There's much more to that place than I had ever imagined, and they let us visit several behind the scenes locations. One was the Harvey House, which has been closed for decades but is still used for film shoots and events. I was surprised that the former restaurant is mostly intact, and in good condition.

The place is huge and quite grand inside but it was pretty dark, and my picture taking was limited to smaller scenes where I could use the flash. Here are a few shots.


Steps leading to one of the raised booth sections on the side. The low walls feature western style tack embroidery.




One of the raised dining areas. The booths are still there but the tables are gone.




One of two stairways leading to the upstairs balcony. Note the water dispenser on the right, with hammered copper surround.




Inside the huge U shaped dining counter in the center of the room.




Behind these big sconces which were high on the walls I think there were speakers that were used for departure announcements, etc.



http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008713.jpg


Refrigerated food storage, back in the kitchen. Most of the kitchen is still intact. They served huge numbers of diners, and had to get the food out quickly.




Cash register counter at the Harvey House restaurant in Union Station. Wonder what became of the white Locomotive? Pulling a load of French Fries in Vegas?
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008715.jpg


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008711.jpg

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008712.jpg

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics46/00042963.jpg
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2013, 7:01 AM
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Boys Markets. Chain started in '24. http://articles.latimes.com/1988-03-...ermarket-chain


800 Block of Colorado Blvd., Pasadena January 1, 1938
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00098/00098899.jpg





Property cleared for building Boy's Market in Highland Park on Monte Vista Street at North Ave. 55.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics31/00065252.jpg


Same Boy's Market, located on Monte Vista Street at No. Ave. 55, Highland Park?
1937
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics33/00066268.jpg


General Vicinity of Monte Vista and Ave 55
http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/montevista.jpg






Boys Market at 3670 Crenshaw Boulevard. July '52
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics34/00036776.jpg
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2013, 7:34 AM
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November 20, 1944 - Vermont Ave and 51st Street. While the boys were slugging it out in the Battle of Hürtgen Forest, Vermont looks amazingly quaint and peaceful.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00104/00104353.jpg

Building currently used as Challengers tennis facility
http://www.craiglawson.com/html_imag...ers_tennis.jpg



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Old Posted Sep 29, 2013, 8:37 AM
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We've focused on Wilshire and Vermont many times. (E.g., http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=12338 and http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...00#post6224300) And GW gives the area extensive coverage on his site http://wilshireboulevardhouses.blogs...e-see-our.html. Looked for this interesting image on this thread, but couldn't locate it. (Notice the ad for flannel suits pushes Bullocks downtown. No mention of the much closer Bullocks Wilshire. BW only sold worsted? Different price points)


1932
http://theoldmotor.com/wp-content/up...05/Vermont.jpg

Hard time viewing enlargement? Go here:
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../1393/rec/2127





Notice the winged bus bench~! Looks like it should be fitted with seat belts.


Roberts Bros had a nice sign, but how good were their eats?





Switzer's (3250 Wilshire) - before being eclipsed by Magnins



http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=16372

Can't resist including Señor Bengston's remarkable '34 image of the area.
http://silentlocations.files.wordpre..._image_2-c.jpg

http://www.goodreads.com/author/show..._Bengtson/blog





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Keep thinking I have seen these images on this thread, but maybe not.


NW Corner Wilshire and Vermont, circa '79.
http://whitenoiseofeverydaylife.file...010/11/ah1.jpg



GW posted this quasi-contemporary view of the same Vermont-Wilshire intersection. Evidently, the dust has yet to settle on the intersection as there are big projects underway.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-egx7q60_pp...todaycompl.jpg









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Anyone notice the "mixed" reviews for the construction on the SE corner of Wilshire and La Brea? http://la.curbed.com/archives/2013/0..._mosthated.php and http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...42650&page=167

Guessing neither the Ritz nor Columbia Savings was worth remembering. Is "charm" something random or accidental?



Charming Wilshire corridor circa '40. A simpler and lower-to-the-ground time.
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...7CT54T5J5D.jpg




McDonnell's at Beverly and La Brea '31-'32
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...C5RUPAJNAE.jpg

[S] teak [S]andwich.
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...EP3Q6Q3I91.jpg

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=15975


Also in the neighborhood, at 113 1/2 North La Brea Ave, the Mayan Apartments! http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...an&submit=Find And it's still there! One of the occupants is photographer Harry Langdon, who once occupied another (recently revamped) location of interest near Sweetzer and Beverly. (8275 Beverly Blvd.)

http://www.thedailytruffle.com/wp-co...PM-400x240.png



Circa 1930 - 113 1/2 N. La Brea (Me thinks the "Deli" is the precursor to El Coyote? See Below)
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...AIB4VEIK43.jpg

No shortage of Deli's on La Brea in '32. http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...en&submit=Find



http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3484



http://www.julienewmar.com/labrea/im...-N-La-Brea.jpg




Exact location unknown. (Follow the sign?)
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...V74F1VCT5A.jpg




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So what was this Pasadena Electric Express Co....an obscure rail line?
I've done some Googling, and it appears that the Pasadena Electric Express Company was an early freight or "drayage" company. There are various news articles relating to the company, including tales of a drunken Spaniard being injured by one of their cars, and another about stolen bread boxes being discovered at their depot. I found the stamps below on Ebay:


Ebay

The description says:

"These labels were used in the Los Angeles area probably in the 20's & 30's. The Pasadena Electric Express provided service over the Pacific Electric urban rail service. The two "Electric Express & Storage" might possibly be either a forerunner of [or] followed the Pasadena labels. Service was 10 cents."

Various sources also list an address for the Pasadena Electric Express Company at 400 S Fair Oaks Avenue, Pasadena. This is from the Thurston’s Residence and Business Directory of Pasadena, Altadena and Lamanda Park, 1924.


Pasadena Digital History Collaboration

I'm not sure if this is the same company, but here's a snippet I found on www.erha.org:

"In the early days, Southern California's first electric railway freight business was begun by a private company. "The Pasadena & Los Angeles Electric Express Company", using two box motors. The line also had one more first: the first combination baggage-mail car was operated on its tracks."

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Welcome to the group, Apollodorus, it is indeed an amazing collection of all this LA past to present. I also live in the OC area and am a big fan of LA and have learned to appreciate so much more, the old buildings and streets, whenever I visit downtown. I usually take the Metrolink when I go as it is so convenient to get there and also not worry about parking. I am enjoying the jazz track provided as I write. Look forward to more contributions. When was that photo taken?
Thanks Alan and everyone else who welcomed me. As for your question, I took that photo back in 2010 when I interned at City Hall. I had never been inside City Hall before, and to say that I was amazed each and every time I walked the corridors of that great building is an understatement.
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I've followed just about every page of this thread and know that many have provided valuable info about and photos relating to the Black Dahlia mystery, however I did want to post a link to a 3 part video on Elizabeth Short that is part of James Ellroy's Feast of Death on BBC Four (2001). Hopefully it's not a repost and excuse me for my ignorance if it is..., I for one found Larry Harnisch's (former LA Times writer) theory very convincing. Here it is for all of your enjoyment.

Part 1: http://youtu.be/_RUPKbDebSA

Part 2: http://youtu.be/alWIvTb1zfQ

Part 3: http://youtu.be/oyWjnFY858Y
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-driving down Mateo Street from Olympic Blvd.

by Robby Cress at http://dearoldhollywood.blogspot.com...locations.html
E-R : the street in front seems to ascend in the background. Mateo and Olympic are flat in this section and I don't recognize Mateo nor Olympic checking on Google Maps.
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I'll have to recheck it. thx for the heads up AL.

I took my cue from this at http://dearoldhollywood.blogspot.com...locations.html

by Robby Cress


the crime duo continues down...

by Robby Cress
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-Have we discussed this memorial fountain(?) before? I can't remember.

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I'm surprised by how decrepit this is by the year 1926.


ebay

When was the line put out of service anyway? 10 years earlier...15?
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I'll have to recheck it. thx for the heads up AL.

I took my cue from this at http://dearoldhollywood.blogspot.com...locations.html

by Robby Cress
Here's an aerial from 1948 with Mateo running north/south in the center. The arrow marks the rough position of the car, and the diagonal dashed lines approximate where the Santa Monica Freeway would be built. I think the buildings are consistant, and the dearoldhollywood blogspot seems well researched.


Historic Aerials
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Hi. I found this thread not long ago and have been reading it from page 1. Reading the thread is doing serious violence to my spare time, but it's such an enjoyable violence! I'm only up to page 48 but feel as if I've already had a graduate course in LA history. I registered this account just to thank the regulars for their contributions. According to one old entry, you may not think this forum has many users, but I suspect you have many more silent "students" than you know.

I lived in the Security Building downtown (5th and Spring) for a few years and collected some historic information while I was there. In 1906, the bank gave out a freebie street map and railway guide. This forum has helped me make sense of it.

At the risk of this being a repost from the 800 pages I haven't yet looked at, here's the map from the Rumsey Collection.





I also have some original picture postcards the bank put out. It's amazing what you can find on eBay!

Anyway, thanks again so much. I just couldn't read any further without letting you know how fascinating and valuable it is to learn so much history about a place with "no history."

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Welcome sportbiker

Thanks for the maps, and welcome to the thread!
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