...And I dont quite get it. From north to south...
The line is elevated over the river, and then elevated over the UP tracks.
Then goes ground level, and then well underground to go below a freaking canal and 180.
Right after it pops back up to an elevated train station.
And then even higher up for the Cedar viaduct.
Why didnt they go over 180 instead of under?
Yeah, I wondered that too. Somewhere I saw early proposals that would have gone over 180. I assume it was just too high. The bottom of the overpass structures would have needed to be 15 or so feet at a minimum above 180. Or it could be that the transition to get below the street overpass was too much. i dunno. I am curious though, you say an "elevated train station" Where do you see that? Everything I've seen has it at ground level. Also, any word on when UP is going to get going on the shoo-fly? That seems to be a big hold up in getting the street underpasses in downtown Fresno.
Yeah, I wondered that too. Somewhere I saw early proposals that would have gone over 180. I assume it was just too high. The bottom of the overpass structures would have needed to be 15 or so feet at a minimum above 180. Or it could be that the transition to get below the street overpass was too much. i dunno. I am curious though, you say an "elevated train station" Where do you see that? Everything I've seen has it at ground level. Also, any word on when UP is going to get going on the shoo-fly? That seems to be a big hold up in getting the street underpasses in downtown Fresno.
It may have changed, but the original plans had the Fresno train station on top of the old UPRR passenger train station.
It was historical at ground, lobby on 2nd floor, tracks on top.
Where the HSR crosses the 180, the freeway is already elevated to cross freeway 99, so it makes sense to put the rail below. Being below the freeway, there is not enough room to go above the rail spur and an irrigation canal, so the HSR has to go below ground level.
I am under the impressions that the rail station will be at ground level... As far as I know the historical train depot is on the other side of the Union Pacific track from where the HSR track will be located.
^And even though those early engineering docs from'14 were only 15% design, the track elevations and general station distribution are likely to be accurate.
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Thanks for posting the link to the station plans - I had not seen any plans that detailed before.
On that note, does anybody have the plans for the HSR crossing Herndon Avenue in Fresno? I have a good guess of what they are going to do, but would like to see the plans.
^ Don't interpret those early engineering plans as what the station will look like. Those docs really only vaguelly describe the basic requirements of the station - passenger flow, pick up/drop off, track/platform alignment - but do not in any way suggest how the ultimate architectural form of the station will appear.
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Has the north side of the bridge over the San Joaquin River been poured? I can't tell from the pix. I see the wood forms, but can't tell if there is any concrete in the forms. Also, does anyone know if the big pillars have been poured in the median of the Cedar Viaduct? It looks like most of the rest of the pillars have been poured. And finally, anyone know what the deal is with UP getting going on the shoo-fly in downtown Fresno? That was supposed to be built last summer by UP. That's really putting the construction of the underpasses behind schedule.
Thanks for posting the link to the station plans - I had not seen any plans that detailed before.
On that note, does anybody have the plans for the HSR crossing Herndon Avenue in Fresno? I have a good guess of what they are going to do, but would like to see the plans.
I haven't seen any plans for Herndon. However, I believe that the original plans have changed. See this proposal from January 2018: http://www.hsr.ca.gov/docs/brdmeetin...B_Contract.pdf Originally the trains were supposed to go over Herndon, but there were problems associated with moving a pipeline and eventually they decided to bring the rail to ground and take Herndon over the tracks.
Google Maps in the region has been updated again. It was updated not that long ago so only slightly more progress is visible, but still good to see something getting done.
Google Maps in the region has been updated again. It was updated not that long ago so only slightly more progress is visible, but still good to see something getting done.
Are you sure? Downtown Fresno shows February 2018, which I believe showed up in April of may last year.
There are also new pictures up today for the State Route 180 Passageway. They are not on the Flickr account so far as I've found, but are in the buildhsr.com page relating to the Fresno Trench SR 180 Passageway page. They've got to be getting close to the bottom.
There are also new pictures up today for the State Route 180 Passageway. They are not on the Flickr account so far as I've found, but are in the buildhsr.com page relating to the Fresno Trench SR 180 Passageway page. They've got to be getting close to the bottom.
They posted a drone video on their facebook page which is impressive
There are also new pictures up today for the State Route 180 Passageway. They are not on the Flickr account so far as I've found, but are in the buildhsr.com page relating to the Fresno Trench SR 180 Passageway page. They've got to be getting close to the bottom.
I just noticed this on the buildhsr page: "Crews have reached the bottom of the trench and are fine grading the area in order to start the box construction."
California Gov. Gavin Newsom says he’s ending the state’s effort to build a high-speed rail line between San Francisco and Los Angeles.
Newsom said Tuesday in his State of the State address it “would cost too much and take too long” to build the line long championed by his predecessor, Jerry Brown. Latest estimates pin the cost at $77 billion and completion in 2033.
Newsom says he wants to continue construction of the high-speed link from Merced to Bakersfield in California’s Central Valley. He says building the line could bring economic transformation to the agricultural region.
And he says abandoning that portion of the project would require the state to return $3.5 billion in federal dollars.
Newsom also is replacing Brown’s head of the board that oversee the project and is pledging to hold the project’s contractors more accountable for cost overruns.
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