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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 6:17 PM
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Planned 8 story office building with a few levels of underground parking (and I think ground floor commercial/retail) was issued a new construction building permit the other day.




And in potentially more depressing news, I don't think the denser building to replace the Pizza Hut at North and Western is happening anymore. Baum group is showing a 1 story 7-eleven and there's a pending permit to build a new 1 story building. Very depressing..
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 6:50 PM
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Planned 8 story office building with a few levels of underground parking (and I think ground floor commercial/retail) was issued a new construction building permit the other day.
where?



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And in potentially more depressing news, I don't think the denser building to replace the Pizza Hut at North and Western is happening anymore. Baum group is showing a 1 story 7-eleven and there's a pending permit to build a new 1 story building. Very depressing..
What the hell....
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 6:52 PM
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318 N Carpenter. Across from Google at intersection of Carroll. Former 1 story industrial building



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Yeah, very sad to see what I'm seeing
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 7:03 PM
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If the 7-11 is flush with the sidewalk it may soften the blow a bit...
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 7:12 PM
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Losing some historic housing in Lincoln Park

Going to become a 3 story SFH: https://www.google.com/maps/place/22...!4d-87.6489564

At least this is maintingin SOME density as a 4 story, 3 unit bulding (I believe the permit includes both of these buildings): https://www.google.com/maps/place/64...!4d-87.6457993
historic or just old?
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 8:50 PM
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Historic. Victorian-era housing built during the post-fire economic boom (when Chicago was the fastest growing city in the world and became Chicago) in one of the city’s most illustrious neighborhoods is in irreplaceable part of Chicago’s story.

Unrelated, but a good roundup of some good sized projects approved by the Chicago Plan Commission.

https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/7/18...est-loop-hotel

What’s the likelihood of a project failing to come to fruition if it passes this hurdle? Does this usually mean financing is already in place?
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 9:08 PM
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[/QUOTE]Losing some historic housing in Lincoln Park

Going to become a 3 story SFH: https://www.google.com/maps/place/22...!4d-87.6489564

At least this is maintingin SOME density as a 4 story, 3 unit bulding (I believe the permit includes both of these buildings): https://www.google.com/maps/place/64...!4d-87.6457993
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historic or just old?
The loss of character is disheartening but the loss of density is appalling. Lincoln Park has really transformed into a boring suburb within the city. Whole once vibrant stretches are empty of people, shops, businesses. Look at Lincoln and Sedgewick, all the bars are gone, the hot dog stand guy around the corner said he may not hang on another year. Clark St., empty storefronts galore. Halsted, new boutique opens, closes within a year, repeated ad naseum. Armitage seems to be the only outlier. I think this trend is more to do with de-densification than internet retailing or millenials not having spending cash. And this trend is now reaching north into Ravenswood where 2 flats are being gobbled up and turned into SFH's en mass. We need a real comprehensive zonign plan that addresses the realities of the 21st century that people want SFH's but we need dense arterial streets to remain vibrant. We need dense housing nodes to keep "eyes on the street" and foot traffic up.
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 9:30 PM
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I mean it's definitely a project. I'm sure it'll be better than the rendering but don't expect it to be much more urban than it looks. Positive news is that's 168 condos and all full means a few hundred more people living there than today. They will have ground floor business space so that's good.

The one thing I'd hope for based on the renderings is good landscaping. My wife's parents place in the outskirts of Shanghai doesn't have any restaurants unless you walk 10 minutes, and it's suburban... but it's landscaped really well with zen gardens and stuff around. It's still suburban but not in a depressing way.
Nice to know. Sounds like there is a proven, existing model that works well time and again so all things considered this will definitely be a huge win.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 1:54 PM
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Lincoln Park has really transformed into a boring suburb within the city.
Yes I agree 100%

That transformation was complete about 25 years ago.

I still don't equate old with historic

May be irreplaceable but that's because it's not wanted - could certainly be replaced if someone wanted it
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Yes I agree 100%

That transformation was complete about 25 years ago.

I still don't equate old with historic

May be irreplaceable but that's because it's not wanted - could certainly be replaced if someone wanted it
I agree on that front, something is not historic just because it’s old. But to reiterate, I think this is historic because it’s a prime representation of Victorian era housing in one of Chicago’s most historic neighborhoods. It’s part of the fabric of what made Chicago one of the country’s most important boom towns.

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May be irreplaceable but that's because it's not wanted - could certainly be replaced if someone wanted it
And that’s an odd way of looking at it… we have the capability to replace just about any building of the past 200 years. What’s the point of historic preservation then?
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I agree on that front, something is not historic just because it’s old. But to reiterate, I think this is historic because it’s a prime representation of Victorian era housing in one of Chicago’s most historic neighborhoods. It’s part of the fabric of what made Chicago one of the country’s most important boom towns.

And that’s an odd way of looking at it… we have the capability to replace just about any building of the past 200 years. What’s the point of historic preservation then?
Not in a cost effective way we don’t.

We wouldn’t even be able to get hold of hardwoods that are as good as the ones used in the late 19th century.

Any pre-1900 building in Chicago should be protected by default and subject to review before demolition. There aren’t that many of them.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 5:18 PM
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Not in a cost effective way we don’t.

We wouldn’t even be able to get hold of hardwoods that are as good as the ones used in the late 19th century.

Any pre-1900 building in Chicago should be protected by default and subject to review before demolition. There aren’t that many of them.
My point exactly. Technically able and actually feasible are two different things.
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Chicago’s 3 new apartment-library developments offer fresh take on mixed-use buildings
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 9:20 PM
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Yes I agree 100%

That transformation was complete about 25 years ago.

I still don't equate old with historic

May be irreplaceable but that's because it's not wanted - could certainly be replaced if someone wanted it
This is just pedantic. Who cares about the label. The old shit is all beautiful, so let's not fuck with it or make all of it sfh.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 11:31 PM
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Anyone who tears down solid brick pre war construction is an idiot sophist. There is no justification for it unless it's totally beyond repair (and that's VERY difficult to achieve). Simply put its short sighted. These buildings are indeed better than anything we can build today, not just because the craftsmanship, materials, and artistry have disappeared, but because they've already survived selection bias and stood the test of time. All of the shoddy buildings from that era are gone, only the really good ones still stand. You are not getting triple wythe Chicago common walls back. It's not happening in any financially practical way. You certainly aren't going to get that with hand molded face brick and carved limestone. I'm rebuilding one floor of facebrick like that with limestone arches and corbelled cornice and that small amount of masonry is $18,000 and I FOUND the limestone for free... And that's only tearing off and rebuilding a single wythe of brick, it would probably be $40k to rebuild all three layers.
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This is just pedantic. Who cares about the label. The old shit is all beautiful, so let's not fuck with it or make all of it sfh.
I agree, these old buildings are beautiful and worth saving, but turning one into a sfh seems completely appropriate and a good modern use.
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I agree, these old buildings are beautiful and worth saving, but turning one into a sfh seems completely appropriate and a good modern use.
Can be quite flexible as well - some inlaws rented out the 2nd flr of their graystone, until they started adopting, then it became a SFR. When the kids are grown they will clear out the 2nd floor and rent again.
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Can be quite flexible as well - some inlaws rented out the 2nd flr of their graystone, until they started adopting, then it became a SFR. When the kids are grown they will clear out the 2nd floor and rent again.
The two flat is even more flexible now with Airbnb. My wife and I turned our first floor into one and now we use it as an entertainment space during the week if we are grilling and block it off for family that's in town. Once we start having kids it will be perfect accomodations for visiting in-laws until we need the space like you described.
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^ Isn’t the city pretty strict with AirBnb though? Don’t you have to have a license to operate one? And isn’t it usually only allowed in commercially zoned sites?

Or are you just flying “under the radar” so to speak?

I’ve considered trying to AirBnb some of my apartments but haven’t because of the above concerns
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