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Old Posted Apr 14, 2024, 10:33 AM
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Can AC's maxes fly RNP .1?
Yes they can.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2024, 3:26 PM
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And I didn't realize WS didn't serve MIA at all from any Canadian airport. I think I can remember times when it was served, but can't remember frequencies or even from which airports, but I think YYZ and maybe even YYC at some point? I know they serve FLL (very close), but for some reason I think MIA is an important airport to have connectivity to, and with WS's transborder stampede linking tons of unlikely pairs (sorry YWG, but BNA for you is very out of the blue), it is surprising to see MIA is totally absent from their network.
I actually don’t think MIA is important.

There is a lot of Latin America flights at MIA. And it is an important business centre, particularly for Latin America. A lot goes through the port, a lot of export/import. But if you’re not linked to AA, you might as well go via ATL or IAH. Or not go through a 3rd country at all. And those businesses, as far as LatAm goes, would often be competitors.

MCO is easily the most served Florida airport to Canada. I think FLL would be a very logical one for WS or PD to focus on growing because the cruise market is probably the #2 attraction to Florida, and unlike MCO there currently isn’t service to YEG, YWG, etc.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2024, 4:30 PM
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Great analysis of all the Data on WS. Looking forward to all the YYC data.
WS does have a direct flight to FLL. They also fly to Tampa from YYC
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2024, 4:52 PM
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Great analysis of all the Data on WS. Looking forward to all the YYC data.
WS does have a direct flight to FLL. They also fly to Tampa from YYC
WS does have YYZ-FLL and YYC-FLL. Compare that with MCO to YYC, YEG, YHZ, YYT, YYZ, YVR, YHM, YOW, YXE, YQR and YWG. Hence - opportunity.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2024, 2:37 AM
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WS does have YYZ-FLL and YYC-FLL. Compare that with MCO to YYC, YEG, YHZ, YYT, YYZ, YVR, YHM, YOW, YXE, YQR and YWG. Hence - opportunity.
True but the biggest market for FLL is YUL and Quebec in general, including YQB, plus YYZ and YOW. WS used to serve more routes to FLL, but haven't in years, such as to YOW. WS haven't touched YUL-non domestic in almost a decade. I don't think the WG integration will change their absence from YUL-FLL, especially since WG haven't flown to FLL in years.

Western Canada appeal to Florida in general is still quite small compared with California, PHX & LAS. Even YVR doesn't have service to FLL...but they do to MIA. In fact, outside of YYZ, YOW, YUL & YQB, plus the lone western route to YYC, the only other city in Canada with service to FLL at present is YHZ and that's a weekly flight on TS. That's actually lower than even last year when Swoop was still around to serve the likes of YHM.

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Old Posted Apr 15, 2024, 7:27 PM
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There is now .3 RNP limits for 34, but they are terrible and its just a better version of the old cloud break RNAV.
I wouldn't call it terrible. Yes, the minimums on the approach are just as bad as the GNSS circling on 34, but at least this new RNP gets you on a constant VNAV path down (unlike the GNSS, which is a step down procedure), and more importantly, gets you properly aligned with the runway over 5 miles out. All of this, with no OPS SPEC needed. Just RNP 0.3 and you're good to go.

Night and day, as far as I'm concerned, compared to the old GNSS circling procedure.

It is now the go to procedure for runway 34 ops in marginal weather conditions (~1800ft ceilings, at least 5-6 SM vis). Q400s, A220s, are all using it.
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2024, 1:12 PM
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AA are adding seasonal from 10AUG24-02NOV24 Saturday service from YQB to CLT.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...889221046.html

As AA grow back YQB and YHZ, it's a head scratcher as to why they haven't returned to YOW.
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2024, 1:40 PM
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AA are adding seasonal from 10AUG24-02NOV24 Saturday service from YQB to CLT.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...889221046.html

As AA grow back YQB and YHZ, it's a head scratcher as to why they haven't returned to YOW.
YQB is a bigger tourism market, plus they’re after the cruise market in the fall.
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2024, 3:50 PM
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AA are adding seasonal from 10AUG24-02NOV24 Saturday service from YQB to CLT.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...889221046.html

As AA grow back YQB and YHZ, it's a head scratcher as to why they haven't returned to YOW.
They likely have a deal with a tour operator on the cruise side.
Similarly they have one for the rockies, hence there flight schedule to Calgary from CLT this morning.
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2024, 5:50 PM
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YYC March 2024 Stats:

Domestic: 896,576 -3.2% (YTD: 2,614,694 +3.4%)
Transborder: 304,412 +11.3% (YTD: 845,636 +17.1%)
International: 210,669 +9.4% (YTD: 605,371 +8.4%)

March 2024 Total: 1,411,657 +1.4%
2024 YTD: 4,065,701 +6.75%

Domestic numbers are below that of 2023, but US/International are up. At this point I see YYC finishing the year with around 19 million.
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YYC March 2024 Stats:

Domestic: 896,576 -3.2% (YTD: 2,614,694 +3.4%)
Transborder: 304,412 +11.3% (YTD: 845,636 +17.1%)
International: 210,669 +9.4% (YTD: 605,371 +8.4%)

March 2024 Total: 1,411,657 +1.4%
2024 YTD: 4,065,701 +6.75%

Domestic numbers are below that of 2023, but US/International are up. At this point I see YYC finishing the year with around 19 million.
Between large F8 domestic cutbacks and the demise of Lynx, it's not surprising YYC's domestic numbers took a hit. Overall domestic in Q1 of 2024 has been weak and I think you can almost entirely attribute it to the ULCCs...including Swoop outside of YYC.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2024, 2:57 AM
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I wouldn't call it terrible. Yes, the minimums on the approach are just as bad as the GNSS circling on 34, but at least this new RNP gets you on a constant VNAV path down (unlike the GNSS, which is a step down procedure), and more importantly, gets you properly aligned with the runway over 5 miles out. All of this, with no OPS SPEC needed. Just RNP 0.3 and you're good to go.

Night and day, as far as I'm concerned, compared to the old GNSS circling procedure.

It is now the go to procedure for runway 34 ops in marginal weather conditions (~1800ft ceilings, at least 5-6 SM vis). Q400s, A220s, are all using it.
Yes, it's much better than the rnav a, but when Westjet company approaches have got them down to 3-500 feet for 15-20 years, it seems long overdue, and still not adequate.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2024, 4:48 PM
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Sounds like Air Canada is going to get stuck paying out on this one.

Ex-Air Canada employees among those arrested in $20M Toronto airport gold heist
The gold has likely all been melted down, reforged into other forms, and made its way into local or international markets
Adrian Humphreys
Published Apr 17, 2024

The Toronto Pearson airport gold heist was such an inside job that the Air Canada manager who gave police investigators a tour of the crime scene at the cargo warehouse from where it was stolen is now wanted for the $24 million theft. Another Air Canada employee is also wanted.

Precisely one year after the brazen and baffling theft, Peel Regional Police announced nine arrest warrants as part of the gold heist.

Five of the accused were arrested in Canada and have already been released from custody on conditions pending trial.

Four more are wanted in Canada, although one, the alleged driver of the truck used to cart off the gold from the airport, is in custody in the United States, where he was arrested after police stopped a car in Pennsylvania with 65 handguns in the trunk that were allegedly being smuggled into Canada...

....Nine people have been identified or charged in their probe.

The five arrested in Canada are: Parmpal Sidhu, 54, of Brampton who was named as an Air Canada employee. He is charged with theft over $5,000 and conspiracy to commit an indictable offence; Amit Jalota, 40, from Oakville, charged with possession of property obtained by crime, theft over $5,000, and conspiracy to commit an indictable offence; Ammad Chaudhary, 43, from Georgetown, charged with accessory after the fact; Ali Raza, a 37-year-old man jewelry store owner from Toronto, charged with possession of property obtained by crime; and Prasath Paramalingam, 35, from Brampton, charged with accessory after the fact...


https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...-heist-arrests
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It'd make a good movie.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2024, 8:13 PM
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Took them long enough! And consequently, not much to show for it (as evidenced by the truck on display in the back of the press briefing, that no one gives a shit about).

They got lucky that trooper in Pennsylvania stopped one of the guys. Or else they’d have even less to show for it.
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2024, 2:52 AM
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Porter is Partnering with DL and Fiji. I presume some type of PR will be released tomorrow.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2024, 1:34 PM
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Porter is Partnering with DL and Fiji. I presume some type of PR will be released tomorrow.
I noticed last night, while not yet for sale, pairings involving DL interlines are now showing up on PD's website. No codeshares.
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Here it is for PD's E2 summer schedule eff 09JUL24 as 08JUL24's and prior schedule has some time differences (not updating the DH4 schedule as the only change has been the addition of YHZ-YDF, which is a minor schedule adjustment).

Compared to the first time I did think a couple of months ago, PD's aircraft utilization has improved a lot, but there's still slack to add more. 2 months ago, PD needed 34 frames to operate their jet schedule. Now with more flights and better scheduling, they only need 32 FINs based on what's been announced to date. When Deluce was in Ottawa earlier this week being interviewed by the mayor, he said they currently have 32 E2s on property.

Porter E95 Weekday Schedule Summer 2024 EFF 09JUL24 (as of 18APR24)

Fin # 901
Flight # From Dep To Arr
352 YYC 0715 YYZ 1305
513 YYZ 1355 FLL 1703
518 FLL 1800 YYZ 2115
365 YYZ 2230 YYC 0050

Fin # 902
Flight # From Dep To Arr
153 YYZ 0700 YOW 0802
263 YOW 0905 YVR 1128
264 YVR 1220 YOW 1955

Fin # 903
Flight # From Dep To Arr
150 YOW 0805 YYZ 0915
113 YYZ 1020 YUL 1136
253 YUL 1230 YHZ 1454
229 YHZ 1545 YYT 1745
230 YYT 1835 YHZ 1955
210 YHZ 2045 YYZ 2213

Fin # 904
Flight # From Dep To Arr
111 YYZ 0700 YUL 0815
251 YUL 0905 YHZ 1129
242 YHZ 1255 YOW 1344
158 YOW 1435 YYZ 1544
161 YYZ 1640 YOW 1742
287 YOW 1840 YEG 2104
410 YEG 2350 YYZ 0534

Fin # 905
Flight # From Dep To Arr
102 YUL 0700 YYZ 0824
157 YYZ 1000 YOW 1102
156 YOW 1155 YYZ 1303
357 YYZ 1355 YYC 1615
362 YYC 1710 YYZ 2259

Fin # 906
Flight # From Dep To Arr
201 YYZ 0700 YHZ 1003
202 YHZ 1055 YYZ 1223
307 YYZ 1315 YVR 1525
308 YVR 1615 YYZ 2345

Fin # 907
Flight # From Dep To Arr
200 YHZ 0745 YYZ 0915
205 YYZ 1015 YHZ 1318
206 YHZ 1410 YYZ 1538
309 YYZ 1755 YVR 2005
318 YVR 2209 YYZ 0539

Fin # 908
Flight # From Dep To Arr
296 YYT 0600 YOW 0745
241 YOW 0835 YHZ 1114
227 YHZ 1205 YYT 1405
228 YYT 1455 YHZ 1615
244 YHZ 1705 YOW 1754
267 YOW 1845 YVR 2108

Fin # 909
Flight # From Dep To Arr
240 YHZ 0700 YOW 0749
271 YOW 0925 YYC 1154
272 YYC 1245 YOW 1835
247 YOW 1925 YHZ 2204

Fin # 910
Flight # From Dep To Arr
420 YWG 0600 YYZ 0923
403 YYZ 1025 YEG 1235
406 YEG 1325 YYZ 1910
427 YYZ 2025 YWG 2205

Fin # 911
Flight # From Dep To Arr
402 YEG 0720 YYZ 1305
405 YYZ 1355 YEG 1609
408 YEG 1710 YYZ 2254

Fin # 912
Flight # From Dep To Arr
280 YEG 0730 YOW 1315
299 YOW 1410 YYT 1825
236 YYT 1915 YYZ 2122
409 YYZ 2230 YEG 0044

Fin # 913
Flight # From Dep To Arr
270 YYC 0745 YOW 1335
245 YOW 1425 YHZ 1704
258 YHZ 2030 YUL 2100
132 YUL 2145 YYZ 2309

Fin # 914
Flight # From Dep To Arr
260 YVR 0740 YOW 1515
505 YOW 1615 MCO 1944
506 MCO 2035 YYZ 2316

Fin # 915
Flight # From Dep To Arr
303 YYZ 0700 YVR 0910
304 YVR 1000 YYZ 1730
407 YYZ 1830 YEG 2044

Fin # 916
Flight # From Dep To Arr
302 YVR 0725 YYZ 1458
125 YYZ 1550 YUL 1706
257 YUL 1810 YHZ 2040
231 YHZ 2130 YYT 2330

Fin # 917
Flight # From Dep To Arr
226 YYT 0730 YHZ 0850
250 YHZ 0940 YUL 1010
114 YUL 1100 YYZ 1224
207 YYZ 1355 YHZ 1658
256 YHZ 1750 YUL 1820
383 YUL 1915 YEG 2150

Fin # 918
Flight # From Dep To Arr
668 LAX 0615 YUL 1440 DAYS 2457
674 SFO 0615 YUL 1440 DAYS 136
126 YUL 1620 YYZ 1756
239 YYZ 2155 YYT 0225

Fin # 919
Flight # From Dep To Arr
378 YEG 0850 YUL 1451
453 YUL 1820 YYC 2105

Fin # 920
Flight # From Dep To Arr
283 YOW 0915 YEG 1139
284 YEG 1230 YOW 1815
EARLY RON FOR LINE MAINTENANCE?

Fin # 921
Flight # From Dep To Arr
372 YVR 0845 YUL 1630
375 YUL 1840 YVR 2119

Fin # 922
Flight # From Dep To Arr
454 YYC 0930 YUL 1532
667 YUL 1940 LAX 2236 DAYS 1346
673 YUL 2000 SFO 2312 DAYS 257

Fin # 923
Flight # From Dep To Arr
197 YYZ 0900 YQB 1029
198 YQB 1125 YYZ 1300
451 YYZ 1430 YXE 1604
452 YXE 1655 YYZ 2209
213 YYZ 2315 YHZ 0218

Fin # 924
Flight # From Dep To Arr
423 YYZ 1000 YWG 1140
292 YWG 1230 YOW 1602
277 YOW 1855 YYC 2124

Fin # 925
Flight # From Dep To Arr
669 YYZ 1030 SFO 1305
670 SFO 1355 YYZ 2200
135 YYZ 2315 YUL 0031

Fin # 926
Flight # From Dep To Arr
305 YYZ 1030 YVR 1240
306 YVR 1345 YYZ 2115
313 YYZ 2230 YVR 0040

Fin # 927
Flight # From Dep To Arr
353 YYZ 1040 YYC 1254
356 YYC 1345 YYZ 1935
179 YYZ 2325 YOW 0027

Fin # 928
Flight # From Dep To Arr
663 YYZ 1045 LAX 1310
664 LAX 1400 YYZ 2149

Fin # 929
Flight # From Dep To Arr
503 YYZ 1045 MCO 1335
504 MCO 1425 YOW 1727
168 YOW 2000 YYZ 2107
COULD EASILY DO A YYZ-YYG 2200-0108, RON, YYG-YYZ 0740-0905 - REQUIRES 2 NIGHT CREW STAY AT YYG THOUGH

Fin # 930
Flight # From Dep To Arr
441 YYZ 1045 YYJ 1259
442 YYJ 1410 YYZ 2145
COULD EASILY DO A YYZ-YFC 2240-0132, RON, YYG-YYZ 0730-0832 - REQUIRES 2 NIGHT CREW STAY AT YFC THOUGH
FIRST AC YYZ-YFC DEPARTURE IS AT 1130

Fin # 931
Flight # From Dep To Arr
653 YYZ 1150 LAS 1342
654 LAS 1435 YYZ 2200
THEORETICALLY COULD FIT IN A YYZ-YQT WITH AN APPROX 0050 YQT ARRIVAL AND 0800 DEPARTURE, WOULD REQUIRE 2 NIGHTS OF CREW REST

Fin # 932
Flight # From Dep To Arr
291 YOW 1600 YWG 1747
424 YWG 1837 YYZ 2200
EITHER THERE'S MORE TO COME FOR THIS FIN OR IT'S FIN 920'S RON FOR LINE MAINTENANCE

Fin # 933 Not yet delivered as of 15APR24
Flight # From Dep To Arr
PRESUMED SUMMER SLACK

Fin # 934 Not yet delivered as of 15APR24
Flight # From Dep To Arr
PRESUMED SUMMER SLACK
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Thanks Dominion, very thorough and informative! For some reason I love aircraft rotation schedules, it's like a puzzle fitting it all together. A couple years ago I tried to do it for AC's widebody fleet out of YVR, just based on arrival and departure times and matching aircraft that seemed to make sense, but I have no idea if it was even remotely correct. It was all fun until I couldn't get the flights to balance and I had a spare plane here, and a missing plane there, and the equipment didn't line up, so I gave up lol. But was a fun attempt

Does anyone know if AC's YVR-LHR is one of the 450-seat sardine can 777s? Or is just the regular 400 seat? The 450-seater seems way too intense for me, I am not super tall or large even, but I wouldn't want to be that squished in basic economy for that long. I once was on it (not knowingly) from YYZ to YVR, and that was bad enough, but to London? No thanks

This sounds brutal for locals:

'Go home': Overtourism sparks backlash in Spain

Madrid (AFP) – Anti-tourism movements are multiplying in Spain, the world's second most visited country, prompting authorities to try and reconcile the interests of locals and the lucrative sector.

Issued on: 16/04/2024 - 11:45
Modified: 16/04/2024 - 16:46
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Rallying under the slogan "The Canaries have a limit", a collective of groups on the archipelago off northwest Africa are planning a slew of protests on Saturday.

The Canaries are known for volcanic landscapes and year-round sunshine and attracts millions of visitors from all over the world.

Groups there want authorities to halt work on two new hotels on Tenerife, the largest and most developed of the archipelago's seven islands.

They are also demanding that locals be given a greater say in the face of what they consider uncontrolled development which is harming the environment.

Several members of the collective "Canaries Sold Out" also began an "indefinite" hunger strike last week to put pressure of the authorities.

"Our islands are a treasure that must be defended," the collective said.

The Canaries received 16 million visitors last year, more than seven times its population of around 2.2 million people.

This is an unsustainable level given the archipelago's limited resources, Victor Martin, a spokesman for the collective told a recent press briefing, calling it a "suicidal growth model".

'Social revulsion'

Similar anti-tourism movements have sprung up elsewhere in Spain and are active on social media.

In the southern port of Malaga on the Costa del Sol, a centre of Spain's decades-old "soy y playa" or "sun and beach" tourism model, stickers with unfriendly slogans such as "This used to be my home" and "Go home" have appeared on the walls and doors of tourist accommodations.

A couple uses a selfie stick to take a picture next to a banner warning tourists about a drought alert in Catalonia
A couple uses a selfie stick to take a picture next to a banner warning tourists about a drought alert in Catalonia © PAU BARRENA / AFP
In Barcelona and the Balearic Islands, activists have put up fake signs at the entrances to some popular beaches warning in English of the risk of "falling rocks" or "dangerous jellyfish".

Locals complain a rise in accommodation listings on short-term rental platforms such as Airbnb have worsened a housing shortage and caused rents to soar, especially in town centres.

The influx of tourists also adds to noise and environmental pollution and taxes resources such as water, they add.

In the northeastern region of Catalonia, which declared a drought emergency in February, anger is growing over the pressure exerted on depleted water reserves by hotels on the Costa Brava.

"Our concern is to continue to grow tourism in Spain so that it is sustainable and does not generate social revulsion," the vice president of tourism association Exceltur, Jose Luis Zoreda, told a news conference on Tuesday when asked about the protest movements.

The group said it expects Spain's tourism sector will post record revenues of 202.65 billion euros ($215.4 billion) this year.

Loudspeaker ban

Before the Covid-19 pandemic brought the global travel industry to its knees in 2020, protest movements against overtourism had already emerged in Spain, especially in Barcelona.

Now that pandemic travel restrictions have been lifted, tourism is back with a vengeance -- Spain welcomed a record 85.1 million foreign visitors last year.

In response, several cities have taken measures to try to limit overcrowding.

The northern seaside city of San Sebastian last month limited the size of tourist groups in the centre to 25 people and banned the use of loudspeakers during guided tours.

The southern city of Seville is mulling charging non-residents a fee to enter its landmark Plaza de Espana while Barcelona had removed a bus route popular with tourists from Google Maps to try to make more room for locals.

Housing Minister Isabel Rodriguez said over the weekend that "action needs to be taken to limit the number of tourist flats" but stressed the government is "aware of the importance of the tourist sector", which accounts for 12.8 percent of Spain's economic activity.


I have always heard stories of the Spanish beach resorts just being incredibly intense with the sheer amount of foreign holidaymakers (Benidorm basically elicits a "cringe" response from people in the UK even as a tacky, entirely British enclave in a foreign country). I went to Spain in 2007. Went to San Sebastian, and it was not over run with tourists. Went to Sevilla, Grenada, no problem. Even Madrid and Barcelona were not unbearable with tourists the way I experienced in Rome or Paris, for instance. But then we went to Mallorca and omg, that was an experience. Basically it is a colony of Northern Europe, with English, Dutch, and German language everywhere. And there were tons of places serving English, Dutch, and German food, sometimes alongside "local food", who knows how authentic they were for any cuisine. I don't know why, but for some reason it felt strange to see how much they cater to the tourist hordes. I am by no means a snob or some obnoxious travel purist, but the amount of places serving mostly German or Dutch food was shocking! I have always loved exploring local flavour, you usually find so many delicious things that you wouldn't get back home. I understand McDonalds being everywhere because it is truly international, it really isn't "American" food being served, it's just an international food offering that doesn't vary that much between countries. So I wasn't aghast at seeing them anywhere, and I admit I went there sometimes. But the amount of restaurants serving things like schnitzel, sauerkraut or currywurst was so weird. Like, you're on vacation, why are you eating that in Spain?! Now I do understand that some Europeans spend a significant amount of time there (ie. the entire fall/winter), rather than just a 7-day all inclusive or whatever. So maybe being there for months at a time they want a taste of home, but the amount of places doing it implied it was for more than just snowbirds. Sorry rant over, I just thought it was odd how obvious the origin-countries' culture was in a foreign country. I don't think I had any proper or good Spanish food while there (I'm sure if I had explored further out I could have found some great ones, but staying more or less in the tourist zone was so trippy, I could only imagine as a local).

The article doesn't mention Madrid, and from a few articles they all seem to focus on the beach destinations in the south, as well as Barcelon, the Balearic Islands (ie. Mallorca, Ibiza), and the Canary Islands. Air Canada is launching their new YUL-MAD service, hopefully Madrid isn't that bad for tourist overrun, and doesn't result in actual policies restricting flights/visitors. Maybe the Spanish government would be more willing to keep long haul frequencies and flights and instead target reductions on shorter haul intra-Europe flights, since it isn't North Americans, Africans, or Asians that are the main tourist segment.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2024, 12:45 AM
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This is a nice boost in confidence for YVR, placing 2nd for those two years (and behind arch rival Seattle no less!) was sobering. I think the results of the surveys during the doldrums of the Covid years should be voided. No one was travelling internationally, there were insane restrictions on who could travel, airline frequencies were bizarre, basically all international arrivals had to be whisked away and put in jail (quarantine) upon arrival. So ranking airport services and quality was hardly a priority, people were scared for their lives to get on a plane and get sick. So YVR was barely visited by all these international travellers, but somewhere like Seattle still could get a lot of domestic visitors (the USA market was ~335 million people, Canada was ~37 million, big difference in how much domestic can generate).

Vancouver International Airport reclaims North America's best airport title
Kenneth Chan
Apr 17 2024, 2:34 pm

Vancouver International Airport reclaims North America's best airport title

After a two-year hiatus from the top spot, Vancouver International Airport (YVR) is once again the best airport in North America, according to the prestigious annual World Best Airport rankings by Skytrax.

For the previous rankings of 2022 and 2023, YVR lost the top spot in North America to Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (SEA), ranking as second best in the continent for both years and ending a 12-year consecutive first-place streak for Canada’s second busiest airport.

However, SEA was bumped back down to second place in Skytrax’s 2024 ranking of North America’s best airports.

Skytrax’s rankings each year are based on tens of thousands of surveys by travellers around the world.

Furthermore, YVR has also risen in the global rankings — now the 17th best airport in the world for 2024, up from 20th in 2023 and the previous low of 28th in 2022.

YVR is slowly climbing back up in the global rankings, as not too long ago it regularly ranked within the top 10. But it has faced growing competition from other new and improved reports for over a decade, which pushed it out of the top 10 starting in 2015, when the airport ranked 11th. This was followed by YVR’s global rankings of 14th in 2016, 13th in 2017, 14th in 2018, 17th in 2019, 13th in 2020, and 24th in 2021.

“Regaining our top spot as Best Airport in North America is a result of the dedication and hard work of our employees and everyone working here at YVR to serve travellers and our community,” said Tamara Vrooman, president and CEO of Vancouver Airport Authority, in a statement today.

“From the team greeting people at our front doors to those who move cargo and bags, to security staff who keep us moving safely, to those to maintain and clean our facilities – 26,000 people work at our airport each and every day with pride and purpose. This recognition belongs to them, and I want to acknowledge and thank them for all their work this past year.”

YVR also saw a strong performance in a number of other categories.

Additionally, for the 2024 ranking, YVR is the third-best airport in the world for mid-sized airports with between 20 million and 30 million passengers. In 2023, YVR saw a strong post-pandemic recovery of 24.9 million passengers, marking the airport’s third-highest annual passenger total ever — not far off from the all-time 2019 record of 26.4 million.

This third-place ranking based on passenger volumes, which impacts service levels and maintenance outcomes, is just behind Zurich Airport (ZRH) and Vienna International Airport (VIE) and ahead of Kansai International Airport (KIX).

When it comes to the world’s best airport staff in 2024, YVR ranked third in North America — behind Dallas-Forth Worth International Airport (DFW) and Montreal-Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport (YUL), and ahead of New York LaGuardia Airport (LGA).

For the world’s best art in the airport category in 2024, YVR earned a seventh-place ranking — behind Amsterdam Schiphol AMS) and ahead of Bangalore Airport (BLR). YVR is known for its wide range of extensive art installations, ranging from local First Nations works to even the world’s largest Disney figurine exhibit at a major airport.

The 2024 rankings also named YVR as North America’s cleanest airport.

Fairmont Vancouver Airport Hotel, which is attached to YVR’s US transborder terminal wing, is still one of the world’s best airport hotels, with 2024 rankings of fifth place globally and second place for North America — just behind the new TWA Hotel New York at John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK).

After YVR, the next highest Canadian airport in the 2024 world’s best airport ranking is Montreal’s YUL, which came in at 53rd — down from 45th in 2023. Toronto Pearson International Airport (YYZ) was further down the 2024 global list with its ranking of 63rd, which is slightly up from 64th in 2023.

But both YUL and YYZ made it to the top 10 of North America’s airports, coming in at eighth and 10th, respectively, for 2024.

Calgary International Airport (YYC) did not make Skytrax’s full ranking of the world’s 100 best airports.

Singapore Changi Airport (SIN) ended its long-running streak as the world’s best airport, coming just behind Doha Hamad International Airport (DOH) in 2024.


Anywhoo, it must be nice for the airport to see some of that shine come back in terms of recognition. It is also quite an accomplishment because YVR has actually put a major focus on the non-glitzy improvements in the airport. I mean, compared to the insane retail/restaurant offerings at many larger airports, and the over the top "experiences" they offer (think Dubai, Singapore, Doha), YVR focuses on things like accessibility improvements (they now have sign language at each gate, amongst lots of other accessibility improvements). They do things like create a new cafe staffed by neuro-diverse people (formerly autistic or asbergers). They have always pioneered accessible designs/barrier free even before it was trendy. They also have a very public relationship with the First Nations communities here, the Musqueam and YVR have a cooperation agreement, and they are very involved in many aspects of the airport. Although unrelated to the formal agreement between YVR and the Musqueam, YVR also was where the first indigenous woman owned airline started (Iskwew is a Cree word for woman. The name was chosen to celebrate the first Indigenous woman owned airline, all women, and all those lifting women. YVR has an indigenous owned restaurant actually serving indigenous food in the international terminal (it was a new location for an established restaurant on Broadway). Not to mention the massive collection of indigenous art throughout the art, it is very substantial (I have heard it is actually one of the largest collections of indigenous art in the world, basically in the league of actual museums and/or art galleries displaying it, and yet YVR is an airport, the art is just eye candy).

My point being that the majority of airports focus on food, shopping, entertainment (in addition to the actual airport operations I mean, obviously). YVR does some things in these categories, but really not much, especially compared to their focus on more social and inclusive improvements. So for them to still win in a fan-favourite vote (which typically favour things like food and drink, shopping, etc. rather than neuro diverse inclusion and barrier free toilets). I can just imagine how it would propel YVR if they finally got traction with food and beverage improvements, which are sub-par to me still.
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