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twicedead · #**221** Posted **Apr 9, 2008, 7:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by KillerIman

but how can we build a town center without residents actually living on that side of 95?

I never said no residents. That's should be part of a phased plan. You start with retail and entertainment perhaps some office and then residental. There for you have a organized plan rather than a hodge podge of buildings none really working with the other. Rename the new area and now you've got something that real estate agents can really work it.

The Baltimore Waterfront did it that way. Before they built what they did there was no residential life in the area. Look at Reston, or what they did at around Green Valley Ranch in Vegas if you want a casino model, Great mix of everything that people can spend a day or live and they do at very high prices. It was all new development with a phased plan and it drove up the real estate around it. They're doing in established areas around Brooklyn and even along the water front in Hoboken with great walking paths pubs and shopping.

KillerIman · #**222** Posted **Apr 10, 2008, 2:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by twicedead

I never said no residents. That's should be part of a phased plan. You start with retail and entertainment perhaps some office and then residental. There for you have a organized plan rather than a hodge podge of buildings none really working with the other. Rename the new area and now you've got something that real estate agents can really work it.

The Baltimore Waterfront did it that way. Before they built what they did there was no residential life in the area. Look at Reston, or what they did at around Green Valley Ranch in Vegas if you want a casino model, Great mix of everything that people can spend a day or live and they do at very high prices. It was all new development with a phased plan and it drove up the real estate around it. They're doing in established areas around Brooklyn and even along the water front in Hoboken with great walking paths pubs and shopping.

cool. that makes sense.

kilbride102 · #**223** Posted **Apr 11, 2008, 5:31 AM**

I believe that most of these projects were proposed with the casinos in mind. Really, why would anyone like to live down there unless the prospect of living in the middle of Philadelphia's newest entertainment district was there? Dont get me wrong.. Slots parlors are not casinos. However I believe that once the state gets all the casino/racinos up and running and is swimming in the revenue that will be piling up, they will see an even bigger revenue stream if they were to add table games. Once the casinos introduce table games the casino operators will want to cater to them with hotels, spas, restaurants, and entertainment options. Then the area will be a hot spot for people to live and these projects will really take off.

Don098 · #**224** Posted **Apr 11, 2008, 6:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by kilbride102

I believe that most of these projects were proposed with the casinos in mind. Really, why would anyone like to live down there unless the prospect of living in the middle of Philadelphia's newest entertainment district was there? Dont get me wrong.. Slots parlors are not casinos. However I believe that once the state gets all the casino/racinos up and running and is swimming in the revenue that will be piling up, they will see an even bigger revenue stream if they were to add table games. Once the casinos introduce table games the casino operators will want to cater to them with hotels, spas, restaurants, and entertainment options. Then the area will be a hot spot for people to live and these projects will really take off.

I hope the casino part never happens. Why can't the waterfront development plan speak for itself and encourage normal development? I mean have things gotten so bad that we have to resort to gambling to attract people? That's usually something a place does when it has nothing else going for it...I just don't get it. If anything casinos would push me out, not pull me in. But I guess that's just me... p.s. what's with all the names on this page have to do with death? KILbride102, KillerIman, twicedead? Haha sorry it's late and i just noticed that

kraggman · #**225** Posted **Apr 11, 2008, 10:05 AM**

Dead project, dead names.

Pennsgrant · #**226** Posted **Apr 11, 2008, 10:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Don098

I mean have things gotten so bad that we have to resort to gambling to attract people?

Yes!

Have you checked the economic numbers of this city lately? Its not pretty.

I believe its the 5th poorest county in the usa, one of the most crime ridden cities in america, the schools are atrocious and the neighboring counties household incomes are twice what they are in the city. There is alot of money in the area, let them spend some of it in Philadelphia. How anyone in this city thinks Philadelphia is above a $1 B private investment from Foxwoods +Sugarhouse is beyond me.

Sorry for being so blunt but yes the city needs these casinos.

Degree is Structural · #**227** Posted **Apr 12, 2008, 12:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Pennsgrant

Yes!

Have you checked the economic numbers of this city lately? Its not pretty.

I believe its the 5th poorest county in the usa, one of the most crime ridden cities in america, the schools are atrocious and the neighboring counties household incomes are twice what they are in the city. There is alot of money in the area, let them spend some of it in Philadelphia. How anyone in this city thinks Philadelphia is above a $1 B private investment from Foxwoods +Sugarhouse is beyond me.

Sorry for being so blunt but yes the city needs these casinos.

Post of the day.

skellergroup · #**228** Posted **Apr 13, 2008, 2:59 PM**

I think this building is going to surprise a lot of people. I'm excited to see it built. Those who are waiting for an executed plan, well, i'm afraid you'll have to wait another 90 years. I'd like to live long enough to see SOMETHING developed down there except dirty nightclubs.

The more affluent people in one location will bring the retail and parks that everybody wants. Much like we are seeing with RATR, and the other condo developments around center city. Maybe the casino's will come, maybe they won't, but this will help build some needed density on the river.

While it doesn't match that grand design of Trump's Chicago building, I think it is safe to say that it won't be junk.

bryson662001 · #**229** Posted **Apr 13, 2008, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by skellergroup

I think this building is going to surprise a lot of people. I'm excited to see it built.
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I think most of us will be surprised if it gets built LOL

kraggman · #**230** Posted **Apr 13, 2008, 4:35 PM**

Ditto

Degree is Structural · #**231** Posted **Apr 13, 2008, 5:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by bryson662001

I think most of us will be surprised if it gets built LOL

It will get built.

NDPhilly · #**232** Posted **Apr 13, 2008, 10:37 PM**

Is there anything rising from the construction site yet

theWatusi · #**233** Posted **Apr 14, 2008, 12:49 AM**

Not yet

Don098 · #**234** Posted **Apr 14, 2008, 1:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by skellergroup

Those who are waiting for an executed plan, well, i'm afraid you'll have to wait another 90 years.

"That's stinkin' thinkin'"

(Source: http://franken.8k.com/cgi-bin/i/stuart22.gif)

Cheer up!

skellergroup · #**235** Posted **Apr 14, 2008, 12:11 PM**

Oh, i'm not sad or thinking negatively, but I just can't imagine that people would rather have an empty lot down there after years of just nothing.

At least (in theory) somebody wants to build down there.

Ninjawho · #**236** Posted **Apr 14, 2008, 4:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by skellergroup

Oh, i'm not sad or thinking negatively, but I just can't imagine that people would rather have an empty lot down there after years of just nothing.

At least (in theory) somebody wants to build down there.

You're right.

Its nice to talk about a plan and all...but I think people are just sipping the koolaide if you think you're going to see it in your lifetime. If you wait too long, the window to build anything worthwhile down there could close.

Don098 · #**237** Posted **Apr 14, 2008, 4:21 PM**

Can someone at least laugh? You do know who that character is, right? Geez, lighten up...

Ninjawho · #**238** Posted **Apr 14, 2008, 4:25 PM**

I don't think we're being Negadelphians...we're being realistic. The opposite of being overly pessimistic is being overly optimistic, to a fault. Not building Trump because you're waiting for a plan means you're waiting for another three decades, at least, before anything substantial happens down there...does that make sense? Are you even going to be alive?

Don098 · #**239** Posted **Apr 14, 2008, 4:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ninjawho

I don't think we're being Negadelphians...we're being realistic. The opposite of being overly pessimistic is being overly optimistic, to a fault. Not building Trump because you're waiting for a plan means you're waiting for another three decades, at least, before anything substantial happens down there...does that make sense? Are you even going to be alive?

You know what you need to do...look up what a "self-fulfilling prophecy" is, because that's your attitude.

If you're going to change things, don't be hasty and do it the wrong way, that's my point.

Sometimes I just can't get over how jaded this city is...makes me depressed. Nothing progressive ever comes out of people being negative and disguising it as realism - that's cynicism, a sorry kind of wisdom.

skyscraper · #**240** Posted **Apr 14, 2008, 5:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ninjawho

I don't think we're being Negadelphians...we're being realistic.

that's what every negadelphian says; "I'm being realistic." bullshit, you're just insulating yourself from fear of failure.
sometimes you have to go outside of what seems "realistic" and take a risk. things might just be better than what you think they are. you don't necessarily know all of the variables that paint the real picture.