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Old Posted Jun 14, 2007, 6:54 PM
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Yup, that's the way to get people to sympathize with a viewpoint that you believe in so strongly....insult them.
It's not about emotion, it is about taking a logical and objective look at the scenario. Leave your feelings at the door.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2007, 8:17 PM
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It's not about emotion, it is about taking a logical and objective look at the scenario. Leave your feelings at the door.
"some situations call for choosing sides and the treatment of First Nations is one of those situations"

This hardly sounds devoid of personal bias on your end, suggesting you may be just as guilty of succumbing to your emotional reaction to this topic - which is fine, since, in your words, 'race relations' can rarely be discussed without emotion entering as some factor (see: calling people racist, stupid, idiodic...).

Another thing devoid in this so-called debate is something called personal responsibility.

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Here is another little gem, fresh off the press:

Nelson warns fedsKapyong site to be held 'hostage' in 'legal limbo'
By ROSS ROMANIUK, SUN MEDIA




The controversial chief of a Manitoba First Nation is vowing to hold Winnipeg's Kapyong Barracks site "hostage" until federal government officials hand over all the land his reserve is owed under a 135-year-old treaty.

Chief Terry Nelson of Roseau River First Nation issued the warning yesterday while discussing commercial enterprises planned for the band's newest reserve site just northwest of the city.

Federal Indian Affairs Minister Jim Prentice conferred official reserve status last Tuesday on about 75 acres of land recently purchased by the band in the Rural Municipality of Rosser. The chief stressed, however, that Prentice's move still leaves nearly 5,800 acres to be designated as reserve land for Roseau according to a 1996 settlement of a lawsuit in the matter.

He also insists the mothballed Kapyong military base, vacated by the Canadian Forces five years ago, should be transferred to First Nations control because it's "prime property."

"We're basically going to hold that hostage," Nelson said of the Tuxedo site, which has long been touted as ideal for commercial and residential development.


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"I'm going to keep it from being developed until they settle with us on our lands. We're going to keep that in legal limbo. We'll run them through court until such time as they deal with the land quantum for the reserves."

Nelson's tough talk comes as First Nations across Canada prepare for a "national day of action" on June 29 to push Ottawa to settle native land claims. The protest could include highway and railway blockades.

He and members of the Roseau reserve, 80 kilometres south of Winnipeg, will meet tomorrow to decide whether the federal reserve allowance in Rosser should spur them to withdraw any blockades they have planned.

Meanwhile, the Roseau band has ambitious business plans for the Rosser site near the north Perimeter Highway that it purchased from a private owner for about $600,000 several months ago.

"You will see a gas station there in a month and a half, ready for operation. That's the first order of business," said Nelson said, citing Swan Lake First Nation's reserve site and gaming lounge in Headingley as a model for the site.

"You will see, within maybe two to three years or maybe not even that, a car dealership for sure. You will see a restaurant, of course, and a VLT lounge pretty quickly," he said. "You're going to see a furniture warehouse. You're going to see quite a bit of development."

However, municipal approval is needed for such projects and the RM of Rosser has tried to concentrate commercial sites farther east, near Brookside Boulevard along the boundary with the city.

"We prefer to keep our commercial concentrated in one area," said Rosser Reeve Alice Bourgouin. "We don't want it scattered all over farmland."


This guy is a nutjob, and will only be creating a bigger rift between Natives and the rest of the population. He truly is a greedy fucktard!
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2007, 1:55 PM
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He also insists the mothballed Kapyong military base, vacated by the Canadian Forces five years ago, should be transferred to First Nations control because it's "prime property."
That statement will most likely generate some sympathy.
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I particularly liked his plan to leech off other first nations....


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Nelson said his First Nation has big plans for the land, including setting up a gas station and cigarette shop with video lottery terminals. He said two or three years down the road, he would like to have a car dealership and a hotel. Nelson said he's hoping the First Nation can pick up business from aboriginal people travelling from the North to Winnipeg.
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"You will see, within maybe two to three years or maybe not even that, a car dealership for sure. You will see a restaurant, of course, and a VLT lounge pretty quickly," he said. "You're going to see a furniture warehouse. You're going to see quite a bit of development."

Finally they can return to their land to run VLT lounges and gas stations just as their forefathers did before the arrival of the Europeans.
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"You will see, within maybe two to three years or maybe not even that, a car dealership for sure. You will see a restaurant, of course, and a VLT lounge pretty quickly," he said. "You're going to see a furniture warehouse. You're going to see quite a bit of development."

Finally they can return to their land to run VLT lounges and gas stations just as their forefathers did before the arrival of the Europeans.
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And here is some more crap provided by Manitoba's beloved Indian chief:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/st...au-rosser.html

I especially find the attitude "do as I say, not as I do" real appealing from Nelson, of all people
How often do we hear from the aboriginal community how they want to be not only informed, but consulted about everything that goes on that affects them?

But when the tables are turned and what they do is affecting others, they find no need to hold public consultations! Rest assured that if the roles were reversed and they weren't being informed nor consulted, they'd be raising hell.

And could you imagine a reverse statement being seen as acceptable? (Just reverse "Indian" with "white man")
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Fuck em! If he has an attitude like that then i say don't allow him to connect to any existing sewer and water and while he's at it maybe he can create his own fire and ambulance department.

If i wanted to set up a business i would have to go through extensive hoops with the "White Man" to get the required approvals. What makes him think that everybody owes him the right to do whatever he wants with his land?
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I hate how first nations are turning to terrible vices to support themselves. A people that until 500 years ago had little to no understanding of ownership and property shouldn't be starting casinos and lottery terminals.

Why can't they go with fly-in fishing lodges and RV resorts, sports complexes, cultural centres and overlooks like ours do?

I have nothing against starting restaurants and hotels with smoking sections though, as long as the smokers are segregated like Negro's in 1920s America from us pure folk, they deserve to sit and slowly kill themselves indoors too. Besides, the tax dollars the feds get really help with paying welfare to the Band Chief's 14 alter egos.
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I particularly liked his plan to leech off other first nations....
It's comments like this that reveal the automatic, negative views that arise when one thinks of Aboriginal people. Honestly, this is a totally ignorant comment made so by the use of the phrase "to leach off".

I'm originally from Norway House and when I drive on highway 6 for a visit, I gas up at Pinaymootang and Grand Rapids. Why? The same reason why non-native (read 'white') people gas up in Ashern or Ponton (which recently has been bought out by Cross Lake First Nation).

We provide business to, we don't leech off of. Would you say the Esso in Grand Rapids "leeches" off non-native customers? No, and that's a double standard. With that said, I have no beef with stopping any other place, and I hope the opposite of others rings true.

Now, Chief Terry Nelson. Surely you've all come to the realization that he's a total basket case. Now you know what we know. In truth, some other Chiefs aren't too far off either. However, there are plenty of us who are reasonable, people...just like you. I try to get this point across because it hurts to read the generalizations made about me and my people. I'm a big boy and you're all entitled to your opinions, but understand that there's a HUGE number of people just as frustrated with our leaders as you are. We just don't make headlines, idiots like Terry Nelson do.

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It's comments like this that reveal the automatic, negative views that arise when one thinks of Aboriginal people. Honestly, this is a totally ignorant comment made so by the use of the phrase "to leach off".

I'm originally from Norway House and when I drive on highway 6 for a visit, I gas up at Pinaymootang and Grand Rapids. Why? The same reason why non-native (read 'white') people gas up in Ashern or Ponton (which recently has been bought out by Cross Lake First Nation).

We provide business to, we don't leech off of. Would you say the Esso in Grand Rapids "leeches" off non-native customers? No, and that's a double standard. With that said, I have no beef with stopping any other place, and I hope the opposite of others rings true.

Now, Chief Terry Nelson. Surely you've all come to the realization that he's a total basket case. Now you know what we know. In truth, some other Chiefs aren't too far off either. However, there are plenty of us who are reasonable, people...just like you. I try to get this point across because it hurts to read the generalizations made about me and my people. I'm a big boy and you're all entitled to your opinions, but understand that there's a HUGE number of people just as frustrated with our leaders as you are. We just don't make headlines, idiots like Terry Nelson do.


And after reading your comments - I wish you would make the headlines. Everyone is tired of the same old tired news the encourages more division - those like Terry Nelson being at the helm of that type of tired news.
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Fuck em! If he has an attitude like that then i say don't allow him to connect to any existing sewer and water and while he's at it maybe he can create his own fire and ambulance department.

If i wanted to set up a business i would have to go through extensive hoops with the "White Man" to get the required approvals. What makes him think that everybody owes him the right to do whatever he wants with his land?
Because white people have been killing this city by furthering urban sprawl for decades, now it's the natives turn.

It's only fair.
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You know if you move in with a native person as common law, even if you're white, you get to use their status card? Just found that out. They don't even care that the person (In the case I know of, a Finn) is whiter than snow. (Literally)

To add to what Haxrae said, many FNs are very progressive and entrepreneurial. It's just that the ones doing bad things get chosen to high posts. It's not unlike national politics, really. There are a dozen CPC members that would make much better leaders than Harper, but he won because he's the most corrupt and was able to steal his way up.
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