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Old Posted Dec 6, 2019, 7:08 PM
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In any case, my point is that we have a lot of road taxation room currently - if an EV is "only" 2x-3x cheaper to operate (and costs about the same), that's still the obvious choice.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2019, 7:09 PM
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Also depends on what one's commute is. My gf's old job was a 30 min commute on a freeway that is generally traffic-free. If instead you're spending 30 min idling in traffic morning and evening, an EV will result in much greater gains for you, even with the same driving habits (hypermiler or lead foot) and the same vehicle.
Yes, EVs are great city vehicles. But you will save $$ regardless. The ratio will get magnified as we get into trucks and vehicles that use a lot more energy to get from A to B.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2019, 7:11 PM
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In any case, my point is that we have a lot of road taxation room currently - if an EV is "only" 2x-3x cheaper to operate (and costs about the same), that's still the obvious choice.
Agree but I don't think electricity should be taxed beyond what we already see. Carbon tax is fine if the source is fossil fuel based, and I do support road/bridge tolling to some degree. But I'd rather not see another taxation regime. Build the missing revenue into existing consumption taxes.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2019, 7:15 PM
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Agree but I don't think electricity should be taxed beyond what we already see.
Of course not! It's either going to be that EV plugs come with a special electric meter (EV plugs would become a controlled item, can't be sold without built-in meter, plugging your EV directly would be the same kind of electricity theft as bypassing any other meter) or else the EVs will come with a GPS on them and you'll be billed proportionally to your driving.

Both of these seem less messy (and also, cheaper) than having tolls in places and no tolls in other places.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2019, 7:41 PM
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Of course not! It's either going to be that EV plugs come with a special electric meter (EV plugs would become a controlled item, can't be sold without built-in meter, plugging your EV directly would be the same kind of electricity theft as bypassing any other meter) or else the EVs will come with a GPS on them and you'll be billed proportionally to your driving.

Both of these seem less messy (and also, cheaper) than having tolls in places and no tolls in other places.
Too late too many chargers can be plugged into outlets.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 7:01 PM
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For example, the Trans-Canada Highway twinning through Banff National Park was (I am pretty sure) paid for entirely by the feds.
That's also why the Yellowhead is twinned from Lloydminster to Jasper National Park Gates. Its up to the Feds to do the rest.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 7:04 PM
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I am honestly not against provincial government wanting to create their own provincial pension plan. I have a problem with literally further intersecting one's provincial pension to a single industry that many people work in in that province. It's the same as buying stocks in the same company you work at. It's a bad idea because if your company goes down, your stock becomes worthless too. You are taught to diversify for a reason.
Alberta does and its called AIMCo which manages the pension funds for the public sector employees and the Heritate Trust Fund. But they are run at arms length from the government as was done with many such funds in the 90's and early 2000's.
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Those who claim B.C. wants nothing to do with Wexit might be changing their tune soon. The backstabbing Liberals look like they're ready to attack LNG now. One day people in this country will wake up and finally admit that the Liberals are only concerned with pleasing their U.N. masters and couldn't give a flying fuck about Canadians other than to keep us under control which is why they want to take our guns away.
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Those who claim B.C. wants nothing to do with Wexit might be changing their tune soon. The backstabbing Liberals look like they're ready to attack LNG now. One day people in this country will wake up and finally admit that the Liberals are only concerned with pleasing their U.N. masters and couldn't give a flying fuck about Canadians other than to keep us under control which is why they want to take our guns away.
Say what?
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2019, 2:10 PM
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Circling the drain down the sinkhole of conspiracy theory. There's no escaping once one has gone down there. Take our guns away? What country are we living in?
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2019, 2:24 PM
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I assume what is being talked about is that other countries' emissions reductions won't be taken into account when accounting for the emissions increased caused by LNG. I guess, apparently, that's totally the Liberal's fault but it's not really up to them to decide.

Kathryn Harrison: The Paris Agreement emissions trading regime – What’s in it, and not, for Canada?
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2019, 2:27 PM
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I assume what is being talked about is that other countries' emissions reductions won't be taken into account when accounting for the emissions increased caused by LNG. I guess, apparently, that's totally the Liberal's fault but it's not really up to them to decide.

Kathryn Harrison: The Paris Agreement emissions trading regime – What’s in it, and not, for Canada?
It's not only not up to Canada to decide, it hasn't in fact been decided yet. What we don't know is whether Canada will be working toward the "pro-LNG" decision during the upcoming negotiations. The Minister's comment suggests that we won't do so at the expense of our basic commitments, but beyond that we'll see.
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Those who claim B.C. wants nothing to do with Wexit might be changing their tune soon. The backstabbing Liberals look like they're ready to attack LNG now. One day people in this country will wake up and finally admit that the Liberals are only concerned with pleasing their U.N. masters and couldn't give a flying fuck about Canadians other than to keep us under control which is why they want to take our guns away.
Still makes no sense.
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Still makes no sense.
right neighborhood, wrong commies

if I had to take a wild ass guess on the government's motives for increased low-IQ migration, suppressing economic activity and disarming it's populace, I'd say their intent was to turn the country into yet another 3rd world Chinese resource colony and they don't want the average rube to be in a position to do anything about it

the above average rube can of course see this coming from miles away
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2019, 7:02 PM
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The only explanation for people complaining about the Canadian government 'taking our guns away' that makes sense to me is that those people are paying too much attention to American, likely right wing, news sources and parroting those thoughts onto the Canadian context. Not only is the government not proposing any major new laws on guns, it's not a big issue for most of the population anyway. Most of us have no guns to take away. So why do a certain type of people keep mentioning it? It's a good indicator of the intellectual depth of those people's political leanings.
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right neighborhood, wrong commies

if I had to take a wild ass guess on the government's motives for increased low-IQ migration, suppressing economic activity and disarming it's populace, I'd say their intent was to turn the country into yet another 3rd world Chinese resource colony and they don't want the average rube to be in a position to do anything about it

the above average rube can of course see this coming from miles away
Last I checked we were increasing indo-canadian and middle eastern immigration, not sino. If anything I feel like sino immigration to Vancouver has dropped off although this isn't based on any stats.

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right neighborhood, wrong commies

if I had to take a wild ass guess on the government's motives for increased low-IQ migration, suppressing economic activity and disarming it's populace, I'd say their intent was to turn the country into yet another 3rd world Chinese resource colony and they don't want the average rube to be in a position to do anything about it

the above average rube can of course see this coming from miles away
Last I checked we were increasing indo-canadian and middle eastern immigration, not sino. If anything I feel like sino immigration to Vancouver has dropped off although this isn't based on any stats. China was #3 from 2011-2016.

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Turkish Airlines Launching Flights To Vancouver
https://onemileatatime.com/turkish-airlines-vancouver/

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Air Canada Launches Non-Stop Flights from YVR to Delhi
http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2016/air-c...m-yvr-to-delhi

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According to data CAI recently acquired from Citizenship and Immigration Canada, in 2010, Arab immigration to Canada reached an all-time high, with the arrival of 34,657 citizens of Arab countries[1], Arab immigrants represented 12.4% of the total immigration to Canada, second only to the Philippines (13.0%) and, for the first time, ahead of China and India (at 10.8% each), long the top two source countries of immigrants to Canada. In 2011[2], Arab immigration dropped slightly to 12.25% of total immigration, remaining in second place behind the Philippines.
https://www.canadianarabinstitute.or...s-record-high/

Interestingly enough the Philippines is our #1 source of immigrants.
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The only explanation for people complaining about the Canadian government 'taking our guns away' that makes sense to me is that those people are paying too much attention to American, likely right wing, news sources and parroting those thoughts onto the Canadian context. Not only is the government not proposing any major new laws on guns, it's not a big issue for most of the population anyway. Most of us have no guns to take away. So why do a certain type of people keep mentioning it? It's a good indicator of the intellectual depth of those people's political leanings.
wow, sub-par post from you too today.. did Alberta up the fluoride dose in the drinking water or something?



not really interested in going down the rabbit hole on the subject, so I'll sum up my position thusly:

A) A balance of powers between rulers and ruled is a critical element to maintaining a free and open society

B) No one who wants you disarmed has anything good in store for you...
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and the king of wild strawmen appears... no further comment

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Last I checked we were increasing indo-canadian and middle eastern immigration, not sino. If anything I feel like sino immigration to Vancouver has dropped off although this isn't based on any stats.


https://onemileatatime.com/turkish-airlines-vancouver/


http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2016/air-c...m-yvr-to-delhi

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The only explanation for people complaining about the Canadian government 'taking our guns away' that makes sense to me is that those people are paying too much attention to American, likely right wing, news sources and parroting those thoughts onto the Canadian context. Not only is the government not proposing any major new laws on guns, it's not a big issue for most of the population anyway. Most of us have no guns to take away. So why do a certain type of people keep mentioning it? It's a good indicator of the intellectual depth of those people's political leanings.
Yeah.. it's like, what, 5% of Canadians have guns? If even?

In any case, an armed population isn't actually a bulwark against government control anyway. Like a bunch of guys with guns at home could actually put up a military fight against a government armed with tanks and drones. And in any case, recent history has proven that non violent resistance is more effective at fighting oppression anyway. Just 30 years ago the people of East Germany and Czechoslovakia brought down their communist dictatorships without any guns. This whole idea that armed civilians are a protector of freedom is 18th century nonsense.

Hearing that crap from Canadians is very much the parroting of the American right, as you said. Although in fairness, left-wing Canadians do that too. Look at the BLM chapters and such.

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