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Old Posted Oct 1, 2010, 2:15 AM
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Well at least the Dakota Roadhouse survives in the rendered images. That is one of my favorite dive bars.. what a contrast with this building.

I'm surprised by the design and how futuristic is seems. Very different to what I would have expected given the mosque overtones...
     
     
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I'm surprised by the design and how futuristic is seems. Very different to what I would have expected given the mosque overtones...
Tha's exactly why you have to learn to separate the fact from the fiction. This building isn't a mosque.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...nd-zero-mosque

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Park51, named after its location on the site of an old coat factory in Park Place, would be a sleek 15-storey tower sandwiched between older buildings.

The most vivid element of the renderings, drawn by a New York-based design studio, Soma Architects, is the building's white frontage, which is broken up into a lattice of interlocking geometric shapes. At night, it would be lit up like a glistening honeycomb.

The device is a clear allusion to the intricate arabesque motifs found in Islamic architecture, and is reminiscent of the Institut du Monde Arabe in Paris, which shot the architect Jean Nouvel to fame in the 1980s. But it also pays homage to other religions, with the Jewish Star of David being clearly visible among its patterns.

...Sharif el-Gamal, the developer of the $120m (£76m) project, told Associated Press that nearly a quarter of its space would be devoted to a sports and fitness centre, which, it is hoped, would attract New York residents of any faith and ethnicity for a fee of up to $2,700 a year per family. Another floor would be given over to a playground and childcare area.

In addition, there would be a restaurant and exhibition space, and on the 12th floor a memorial and sanctuary remembering the events of 11 September 2001 that would again be multidenominational.

...Seen from the inside, the renderings show the lattice work casting intricate shadows across the white floors, another allusion to arabesque design with its emphasis on naturally lit interiors.

The drawings are only a vision of how the building might go. An official architect for the project has yet to be appointed, and ground breaking on the construction will not begin for at least three years.

They better not mess this up...
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Early architectural renderings are a basic part of salesmanship. Before the money is raised, before the permits are in hand, before the land is owned or the site chosen, a rendering gives substance to the dream. In the case of the Park51 Community Center, the Islamic facility proposed for contested land in Lower Manhattan near the World Trade Center site, the organizers face a hurdle that may prove even more daunting than the usual details of money, property and zoning. They face a groundswell of hostility whipped up during an election season that feeds on primitive emotions directed at a parody of a supposedly primitive religion. Even in the midst of great controversy, however, powerful drawings can forge consensus.
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Those renderings go a long way in expressing what they're wanting this to look like and I think it clears my perception of it. Still, I'm not a huge fan of the design. And from the interior it looks way too clustered and disorderly.
     
     
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Hopefully the final design will be similar to what we've been seeing lately.
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Report: Proposed Islamic Center May Come To West Village
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The Saudi royal family reportedly has its eye on turning the shuttered St. Vincent's Hospital into the new home for a controversial Islamic mosque and community center near the World Trade Center site.

According to the New York Post, lawyer Dudley Gaffin has ties to Saudi King Abdullah, and is gauging reaction to a proposal to move the center from Lower Manhattan to the site of the former West Village hospital.

Sources tell the paper Abdullah would also reopen most of the hospital's closed units.

The Post says the lawyer is planning to bid against rival Rudin Organization, which wants to buy the hospital site in bankruptcy court, and replace six buildings with luxury housing.

St. Vincent's closed its doors in April after declaring bankruptcy.



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^^^I heard on WCBS Radio this morning that those reports are now being denied.
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^^^I heard on WCBS Radio this morning that those reports are now being denied.
Yes, they were.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...%28NY+Local%29
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http://downtownexpress.com/de_409/park51.html

Park51 taking shape

BY Aline Reynolds
February 23 - March 1, 2011

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The contentious Islamic community center planned for Park Place is still only a bright vision of two Muslim-Americans who say they want to bridge cultural gaps and provide a suitable prayer space for Lower Manhattan residents.

But the project will begin to be mapped out in the coming weeks and months, when as-yet-undisclosed prominent New Yorkers join real estate developer Sharif El-Gamal and his team to convert ideas into concrete plans.

“This is a brick-and-mortar facility to signify what’s best about America and offer a true example of who Muslims are,” said El-Gamal, the chief executive officer of SoHo Properties, in an exclusive interview with the Downtown Express.

El-Gamal credits businessman Hisham ElZanaty, the majority investor in the community center, for kick starting the project. “Without his foresight and vision,” El-Gamal said, “we wouldn’t have been able to embark on this.”

The development, now known as Park51, will begin to take shape over the next two-to-three years. To El-Gamal, Park51 is far more than a straightforward real estate deal.

“There are so many different pieces we have to put together to make this thing work,” said El-Gamal.

It entails unifying a multicultural community and creating a nonprofit organization that will determine the programming of the community center as well as raise funds.

The four-member organization, which doesn’t yet have an office or a phone number, expects to be granted nonprofit status by the Internal Revenue Service in the spring. The community center will eventually have a full-time staff of around 150, according to El-Gamal.

Announcements of new board members — including what El-Gamal deemed to be a “Who’s Who of New Yorkers” — will be made soon. The developer would not disclose names.
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2011, 12:03 PM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/30/ny...1&ref=nyregion

Planners of Mosque Considering New Project

By PAUL VITELLO
March 29, 2011


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Two co-founders of the plan to build a Muslim community center and mosque in downtown Manhattan have begun exploring a new, and possibly competing, project: an interfaith cultural center that they said might be located at the currently proposed site, two blocks from ground zero, or elsewhere in the neighborhood.

Daisy Khan, the executive director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement, said on Tuesday that she and her husband, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, two co-founders whose involvement in the controversial community center plan was curtailed this year after a falling out with their real estate partner, might develop a new project that was “larger in concept” than what is now proposed at 51 Park Place.

The new project would be interfaith in character, rather than predominantly Islamic, she said, and it would include a center for inter-religious conflict resolution.

“Once we are ready to announce our new vision, we will talk to the property owner and see if it is the right location for us,” she said, referring to Sharif el-Gamal, the real estate developer and onetime protégé of Mr. Abul Rauf’s. Mr. Gamal announced in January that Ms. Khan and the imam, who first conceived the idea of a downtown Muslim community center, would no longer speak or raise money for the planned project, known as Park51, though the imam would remain on its board of directors.

“We had the vision. We still have the dream,” Ms. Khan said. “The location is not the dream, my friend.”

A spokesman for Mr. Gamal said the developer had no comment.

Whether either alternative comes to fruition will depend on the ability of each camp to raise the estimated $100 million in public and private funds needed.

...The rift between the two factions is partly personal, and partly based on differences of vision, spokesmen for the two sides have said. Mr. Abdul-Rauf and Ms. Khan initially conceived the project, which they referred to as Cordoba House, as a community center for the neighborhood grafted to a kind of world headquarters for interfaith dialogue — a place where tourists from around the globe might come to learn about other people’s religions.

Mr. Gamal, a businessman, had always favored a more down-to-earth approach, focused on providing much-needed downtown facilities like an indoor swimming pool, and prayer space for the large population of Muslims who work in the financial district.

On Tuesday, Ms. Khan said that since last summer, she and her husband had been meeting privately with family members of 9/11 victims and first responders in an effort to understand the source of some of the opposition to the original idea. She said that as a result of those meetings, the story of the 9/11 families “will be housed in our center.”
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Islamic Center near ground zero holds first event
Wednesday, September 21, 2011

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LOWER MANHATTAN (WABC) -- Wedneday is opening day for the first community event at Park51, the Islamic Cultural Center near ground zero.

It opens a temporary community space, and it's offering a photography exhibition of New York City children from more than 160 countries.

Park51 has invited United Nations ambassadors from those countries to attend the exhibit.

The rest of the Park Place building has yet to be renovated. The developer has said it will be years before the project, envisioned ith a mosque, health club and theater, is fully realized.

Park51 Chief of Staff Katerina Lucas says the exhibit, shot by artist Danny Goldfield, will hopefully show those opposed to the Islamic center what kind of space it's meant to be.



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Con Ed Set To Force Out Lower Manhattan Islamic Center Over Rent Payments
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The Park 51 mosque and Islamic cultural center near the World Trade Center site could be forced out.

According to court documents, Consolidated Edison has threatened to pull Park 51's lease if principals do not pay nearly $2 million in back rent.

The utility and mosque developers own different parts of the Lower Manhattan building, which was a former Burlington Coat Factory store, and the two parties have been locked in a legal battle over a retroactive rent increase.

The developer of the project said Con Ed is using an incorrect formula to determine the rent and any back payments.

A hearing is set for next month.



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El-Gamal files to raze buildings at “Ground Zero mosque” site
Soho Properties' chief executive has yet to announce new plans
Angela Hunt April 07, 2014 06:43PM


From left: Sharif El-Gamal and 45 and 51 Park Place

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Developer Sharif El-Gamal has filed plans to level two low-rise structures at the site of the long-stalled Park51 development, also known as the “Ground Zero mosque.”

The developer and his firm, Soho Properties, courted controversy in 2010 after proposing a 15-story Islamic cultural center in place of the five-story 45 Park Place and four-story 51 Park Place. Located in the Financial District, the properties are situated two blocks from the site of the September 11 terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center.

The plans to demolish the buildings were filed with the Department of Buildings today, the New York Observer reported.

The buildings already house a nonprofit Islamic community and prayer center, and El-Gamal charges $30,000 in rent for the space. Last year brokers told The Real Deal that the developer had been inquiring about how to price units should he choose to build condominiums at the site.

Previous plans called for a mixed-use development with residences on upper floors and a prayer space on lower floors, as previously reported. A spokesman for the firm said specific plans for the site would be announced at a later date.
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This will be a condo tower. It hasn't been the proposed "Park 51" since around 2011.

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This Park51 proposal can be moved to the cancelled archive. What's going to replace it will be insignificant.

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El-Gamal reverses, plans museum for “Ground Zero mosque”
Developer drops proposal to construct Islamic community center at Park 51

April 30, 2014 10:45AM
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Developer Sharif El-Gamal has dialed back his plans for the long-stalled Park51 development and instead will build a three-story museum.

Earlier this month, he filed plans to level two low-rise structures at the site, also known as the “Ground Zero mosque.” Architect Jean Nouvel was hired to design the 5,000-square-foot museum, which also contain a prayer space and community events. There will also be a public outdoor space.

“New York’s arts and cultural institutions have always been a great inspiration to me and I consider this opportunity to create a museum to be a true privilege,” El-Gamal said in a statement cited by DNAinfo.

El-Gamal initial planned to build a larger Islamic community center on the site. He decided to make the project smaller amid protests from residents and a lack of financial backing. The developer plans to fund the project himself.
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