[San Antonio] New large scale downtown planned for Cibolo.

[Paul in S.A TX]

Any news on this project?

[arbeiter]

I'm surprised this one got no response - it's one of the more responsible designs I've seen in any of Texas' suburbs. I like it!

[chadpcarey]

I know Cibolo (have developed subdivisions there), and I know this site (and the owner's rep).

Two words: pure fantasy.

Chad.

[arbeiter]

Originally Posted by chadpcarey

I know Cibolo (have developed subdivisions there), and I know this site (and the owner's rep).

Two words: pure fantasy.

Chad.

Why is it pure fantasy? I am just curious. I really don't know, as I am not familiar with SA developers.

[stranger]

Is it going to made of gold like the Cibola that caused the Spaniards to come to America? If not, then I'm not interested

[chadpcarey]

Arbeiter:

Lots of reasons:

1. City of Cibolo is arguably the most frustrating municipality in which to develop (in metro SA); there's zero consistency with implementation and enforcement of regulations, so developers don't want to be there;
2. Land is too expensive (this would need to be carried for 8-12 years for this project to get traction);
3. No market for homes/retail/office at these price ranges (you have to drive past an existing Armadillo Homes subdivision to get to this site; the only price points that work in Cibolo are south of $200K)
4. There is a deep supply of cheap land & lots in Cibolo with utilities based on suburban development patterns;
5. City of Cibolo has one of the lowest tax rates in the SA metro area, making contributions to public improvements practically impossible;

Et cetera, et cetera.

Chad.

[arbeiter]

okay, makes sense. it just seems like a lot of effort to have a master plan developed like this, and it not have any real hope of succeeding.

[coddat]

This type of project will probably do better in the new land that Windcrest is developing between Walzem and Eisenhauer. Windcrest price points are far above 200k, and Windcrest is willing to play ball and have new devlopment.

[Paul in S.A TX]

Originally Posted by chadpcarey

I know Cibolo (have developed subdivisions there), and I know this site (and the owner's rep).

Two words: pure fantasy.

Chad.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/business...o.17ec88d.html

Seems to be more than a fantasy.

[sirkingwilliam]

Originally Posted by arbeiter

I'm surprised this one got no response - it's one of the more responsible designs I've seen in any of Texas' suburbs. I like it!

Not trying to toot my, you know. But I posted this some time back and it received responses.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=133168

[arbeiter]

Originally Posted by sirkingwilliam

Not trying to toot my, you know. But I posted this some time back and it received responses.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=133168

well, that was june - i can't catch each san antonio thread, as much as you think i do

[chadpcarey]

Paul in SA:

The type of growth referenced in that article is almost entirely entry-level suburban subdivisions built by large public homebuilders. It's no different than any other suburban submarket in SA.

So to somehow think that this type of "growth" (cheap, cheap, cheap suburban housing) proves the viability of a very ambitious New Urbanist town center, is, well, pure fantasy.

Chad.

[Schertz1]

About 30% of the homes in Cibolo are priced over 200K, according to realtor.com

[Paul in S.A TX]

Originally Posted by chadpcarey

Paul in SA:

The type of growth referenced in that article is almost entirely entry-level suburban subdivisions built by large public homebuilders. It's no different than any other suburban submarket in SA.

So to somehow think that this type of "growth" (cheap, cheap, cheap suburban housing) proves the viability of a very ambitious New Urbanist town center, is, well, pure fantasy.

Chad.

This thread is to show a new urban lifestyle project nothing more nothing less. Seems there is more of these type projects uc in San Antonio than any other Texas city.

Cheap, cheap, cheap housing takes place everywhere from Austin suburbs to the suburbs of Buffalo.

Whats your point?

[Trae]

Originally Posted by Paul in S.A TX

This thread is to show a new urban lifestyle project nothing more nothing less. Seems there is more of these type projects uc in San Antonio than any other Texas city.

Cheap, cheap, cheap housing takes place everywhere from Austin suburbs to the suburbs of Buffalo.

Whats your point?

If most of it is suburban-style single-family homes, then how is it urban (just going by what was said above)?

[Paul in S.A TX]

Originally Posted by Trae

If most of it is suburban-style single-family homes, then how is it urban (just going by what was said above)?

It is the suburbs what the hell do you want them to build out there? Freaking Midtown Manhattan? I think this is a step up from typical sprawl. Don't forget this is 20 plus miles from Downtown. I think it is a step foward for smart growth, and San Antono is doing a dam good job. better than Austin and other Texas cities.

[Paul in S.A TX]

Funny how some forumers can't ever say anything good. It's like they are upset for a city doing it right.

[sirkingwilliam]

Originally Posted by Trae

If most of it is suburban-style single-family homes, then how is it urban (just going by what was said above)?

What Chad is talking about is the current growth in Cibolo. It's tons single family subdivisions with tons more planned.. The Cibolo Town Center is a new urbanism development which is something not being offered in Cibolo. Chad is asking why would something that big work if the growth in Cibolo is geared more towards single family tract homes.

[Paul in S.A TX]

Originally Posted by sirkingwilliam

What Chad is talking about is the current growth in Cibolo. It's tons single family subdivisions with tons more planned.. The Cibolo Town Center is a new urbanism development which is something not being offered in Cibolo. Chad is asking why would something that big work if the growth in Cibolo is geared more towards single family tract homes.

This is about a new urbanism project for Cibolo. Not anywhere do I say or the article I linked say that Cibolo is this dense urban city. Its a dam suburb! what do you expect from a suburb? This is a good step in the right direction, and I'm sure it will fit right in. Why wouldn't this type of development not work in Cibolo? Why wouldn't it work anywhere for that matter! Everyone talks about ugly sprawl and how we need more of this style of urbanisim. Cibolo is doing this, and is critcized for doing it right, very amusing. Anyhow, it is a mixed use development. Not everyone wants a loft, rowhouse or condo. There isn't anything wrong with tract homes, with backyards, and white picket fences tied into a more urban enviroment like this. We need more of this, and it seems it's taking off quite well in the San Antonio metro.

[Trae]

Originally Posted by sirkingwilliam

What Chad is talking about is the current growth in Cibolo. It's tons single family subdivisions with tons more planned.. The Cibolo Town Center is a new urbanism development which is something not being offered in Cibolo. Chad is asking why would something that big work if the growth in Cibolo is geared more towards single family tract homes.

Thanks for the explanation.

Originally Posted by Paul in S.A TX

It is the suburbs what the hell do you want them to build out there? Freaking Midtown Manhattan? I think this is a step up from typical sprawl. Don't forget this is 20 plus miles from Downtown. I think it is a step foward for smart growth, and San Antono is doing a dam good job. better than Austin and other Texas cities.

I fail to see this.