noirish Los Angeles

[westcork]

LA Traffic Deaths: "Report to the People" 1946 Los Angeles Police Department

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De0Ab...endscreen&NR=1
Jeff Quitney Youtube

[CityBoyDoug]

Great photos ER..!!! The area today is a wasteland of bland warehouses.

The old Pontoon Bridge was a real pain actually. Every time even a little tugboat needed to transit the channel, the traffic had to stop to let it pass. The two floating sections would slowly back under the projecting roadway. All of this happened to the tune of bells, whistles and sirens. The traffic would back up for blocks. This was not a speedy process.

[mdiederi]

Similar to pulling the space shuttle through town last year. Spruce Goose on the way to Wilmington.


theaviationzone.com


orgs-evolution-knowledge.net


http://atomictoasters.com

[CityBoyDoug]

During WW II 400 Japanese men who lived on Terminal Island were rounded up and sent to Relocation Camps. Most of them were tuna fishermen.

Here is their T.I. main street in the 1930s. Also, seen below is the Shinto Temple on Terminal Island in the 1920s.


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[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

Great photos of Terminal Island ER..!!! The area today is a wasteland of bland warehouses.

Thanks CBD, but the Terminal Market is just south of downtown at E. 7th to 8th Street & S. Central Avenue.


google area


aerial 1930s

ocd/mn



Contemporary view, looking north along S. Central Ave. just above E. 8th Street



and south. -truly impressive!

gsv



view inside the market.

postcard/ebay

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[mdiederi]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

view inside the market.

postcard/ebay

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I looked on the google maps view real close from above and it looks like there is still some sort of open-air produce market action still going on in that same location.

Also found this old photo.


http://framework.latimes.com/2012/05...rminal-market/
1927: A crowded Market Court at the Los Angeles Union Terminal Market, a wholesale produce market built by Union Pacific Railroad in 1918.

http://framework.latimes.com/2012/05...rminal-market/
Los Angeles Union Terminal Market
Posted By: Scott Harrison
Posted On: 12:36 a.m. | May 1, 2012


The original Los Angeles Times caption published on July 31, 1927, reports:

A familiar sight at the Los Angeles Union Terminal, the largest produce market in the West. According to the Bureau of Agricultural Economics, Los Angeles is the fourth largest fruit and vegetable consuming center in the United States.

This photo was published on the Los Angeles Sunday Times Farm and Orchard Magazine front page.

A story in the Aug. 9, 1925, Times Farm and Orchard Magazine explained that the Los Angeles Union Terminal Market “has room for 1000 tenants and the market court, 300 x 1200 feet in dimension, will accommodate about 600 trucks.”

[mdiederi]

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

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How did they open the bridge for ships to pass? (That photo is photoshopped) Did they just pull the middle sections off to the side with tug boats or something?

Before the pontoon bridge was installed there was the bascule or "jackknife" train bridge to Terminal Island, built in 1908 (photo circa 1910), which was removed in the 1930s after the railroad stopped using it. Not sure how much time elapsed between the removal of this bridge and the installation of the pontoon bridge. Before this bridge, the very first bridge from Long Beach to Terminal Island was a 19th century single-track train bridge on a wooden trestle built by the Salt Lake Railway.


http://portoflongbeach.blogspot.com/...nd-part-1.html

The railroad didn't need the Jackknife bridge anymore because of the new Badger Avenue Bridge to the north, seen here in the 1920s before it was replaced by the Henry Ford Bridge.


http://portoflongbeach.blogspot.com/...nd-part-2.html

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

There was a North-South road connection to T.I. that utilized the railroad drawbridge.
This is the Northside lift bridge.

That's actually two separate bridges right next to each other, the earlier Henry Ford train lift bridge that replaced the Badger Avenue Bridge, and the slightly newer Commodore Schuyler F. Helm lift bridge which carries State Route 47 and the southern end of the 103 Terminal Island Freeway. I've heard rumors that the Terminal Island Freeway north of there is apparently being removed now.


google maps

[ethereal_reality]

originally posted by mdiederi

latimes_framework



Yesterday while going through Terminal Market photographs I noticed this clock for the first time.


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/72174/rec/4


detail -and it's an amazing clock.




close-up: I'm still trying to make out the lettering.




It's also visible in this aerial from the 1930s.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/90051/rec/2



I was delighted with the discovery because I've often wondered why there was a Clock Street running through the market.


https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl


Sadly, the actual clock seems to be missing.


https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

I'm hoping it was moved somewhere, and not destroyed.
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[KevinW]

Found this in a 1919 issue of Popular Mechanics:


Popular Mechanics Magazine
Jan 1919

[WS1911]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

originally posted by mdiederi

latimes_framework


Yesterday while going through Terminal Market photographs I noticed this clock for the first time.


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/72174/rec/4


detail -and it's an amazing clock.



close-up: I'm still trying to make out the lettering.



It's also visible in this aerial from the 1930s.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/90051/rec/2

This video from the mid 1930s shows a similar clock (if not the same) suspended between two buildings. I wonder if it isn't the same clock? Click here.

Video source http://www.discovernikkei.org
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[Wenders]

"Crowded Terminal Market" -images make me think of Thieves Highway movie.

Before C. Manson was sent to do his time in prison, he was held at a jail in Terminal Island. Anybody know where that jail was exactly?

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by Wenders

"Crowded Terminal Market" -images make me think of Thieves Highway movie.

Before C. Manson was sent to do his time in prison, he was held at a jail in Terminal Island. Anybody know where that jail was exactly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...erminal_Island
http://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/trm/

Capone was held there too.

-and-

http://www.mysanpedro.org/2012/01/sa...rt-of-los.html

[mdiederi]

EDIT: Looks like tovangar2 and I posted almost the same info about Manson at the exact same minute. lol ! I like that video on your mysanpedro link! http://vimeo.com/25152402

Originally Posted by Wenders

Before C. Manson was sent to do his time in prison, he was held at a jail in Terminal Island. Anybody know where that jail was exactly?

http://goo.gl/maps/qsvSc
Charles Manson was held at the Federal Corrections Institution, Terminal Island, at 1299 S Seaside Ave on Reservation Point (part of San Pedro), from 1956 to 1958 for car theft and check fraud.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...ior_to_1982.29

[Mr.Swink]

Here is the Los Angeles Cold Storage building in east downtown on 4th street. And the second image is a detail from I believe that 1909 hand drawn map of Los Angeles. Notice the shapes of the windows and the number of floors is the same in the gsv photo and on the map. Old Los Angeles businesses and buildings live on!

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1909 Map

[Wenders]

Thank you, Tovangar2 and Mdiederi.

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by KevinW

Found this in a 1919 issue of Popular Mechanics:


Popular Mechanics Magazine
Jan 1919

This is a great find KevinW. I had no idea the supporting column was so elaborate, especially for an open-air market.
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[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by mdiederi

EDIT: I like that video on your mysanpedro link! http://vimeo.com/25152402

No doubt about it, San Pedro sure had its share of noir

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by WS1911

This video from the mid 1930s shows a similar clock (if not the same) suspended between two buildings. I wonder if it isn't the same clock? Click here.

Video source http://www.discovernikkei.org
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Thanks for the link WS1911. I believe this is the same clock!


http://www.discovernikkei.org/en/nik...rs=&published=



http://www.discovernikkei.org/en/nik...rs=&published=


I guess they got rid of the clock's support column when they built the canopies over the seller's stalls.

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[WS1911]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

At first I thought this was the Little Tokyo section of Los Angeles.*, and both markets had similar clocks by the same clock-maker?


http://www.discovernikkei.org/en/nik...rs=&published=



http://www.discovernikkei.org/en/nik...rs=&published=
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* I just located the description of the video. It says this is the market on 7th Street.
(the north end of Terminal Market is on E. 7th St.)

Thanks, ER. I was just going to correct my post when I saw you'd done that for me! The clocks do look similar.
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[ethereal_reality]

I really like the lettering in this ad, especially the stylized H.

Los Angeles Herald, 1890

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/

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