Federal Government & Politics II

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Black Star

Anyone who defends trudeau either in comment or action is a traitor to Canada's democracy. This is not mere hyperbole, it's the truth.
No one of good conscious, sound mind, reasonable judgement and basic observational skills can excuse trudeau's words and actions because quite simply, his priorities are grossly misguided and corrupt. His interests are purely for his own benefit and/or the Liberal Party's, they most certainly are not for Canada and Canadians. If that isn't obvious to Liberal Sycophants by now, my condolences for your loss, loss of basic common sense.

This type of posting will not be tolerated. It is fine to have a difference of opinion.

I would delete, but I am leaving it up as a warning.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

This type of posting will not be tolerated. It is fine to have a difference of opinion.

I would delete, but I am leaving it up as a warning.

Surely calling someone a sycophant and lacking in common sense is something we can deal with?

I think the Trudeau delusion syndrome is something important to be aware of. It gives some of us pause but you can't blame a politician for their supporters.

[MolsonExport]

Calling someone a traitor, due to their political leanings, is not acceptable.
There are very few die-hard Trudeau supporters in this thread. I can think of maybe 1 or 2? And these individuals do not engage in this sort of attacking.

There needs to be more civility in this thread.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

This type of posting will not be tolerated. It is fine to have a difference of opinion.

I would delete, but I am leaving it up as a warning.

You are far more generous than I would be.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Calling someone a traitor, due to their political leanings, is not acceptable.
There are very few die-hard Trudeau supporters in this thread. I can think of maybe 1 or 2? And these individuals do not engage in this sort of attacking.

There needs to be more civility in this thread.

And, if not, bannings and/or closure of the thread should follow.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Calling someone a traitor, due to their political leanings, is not acceptable.
There are very few die-hard Trudeau supporters in this thread. I can think of maybe 1 or 2? And these individuals do not engage in this sort of attacking.

There needs to be more civility in this thread.

For the record, I wouldn't mind being called a traitor for preferring to see the devastation continue to increase in intensity just for greater long-term personal real estate gains.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

You are far more generous than I would be.

This.

All that individual does is stop by and post inflammatory nonsense and name calling. I haven't seen him post anything on an actual topic that approaches dialogue. Not once.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

Dominic Leblanc has always been a steadfast ally of Justin.........a true lapdog in every sense of the word. I wouldn't be surprised if he was Justin's chosen successor. To exemplify how far back he goes with the Trudeau family, he actually babysat Justin when they were both kids in Ottawa................you couldn't make this stuff up.

If Justin has decided that LeBlanc is his heir apparent and the backbenchers back him up, it will be the final nail in the coffin for the Liberals. If they have ANY successor that is considered within Justin's sphere of influence, the electorate will not see it as any form of change in governance or policies. This also applies to the other potential 2 hopefuls, Freeland and Annand.

The ONLY hope they have in the next election to at least keep the Tories to a minority gov't is to get a well know person who has absolutely no connections with Trudeau and his inner circle and the clear option is Mark Carney.

Dominic did what he was asked to do - float the trial balloon of the possibility of Justin leaving - the idea is now there, said out loud and the polling will follow and Justin will step down before summer. Mark Carney is ready and has been working the circuit and his french is vastly improved... new budget in the spring with a reset in time for the election and economy in better shape and the US imploding with whatever happens there.

[lio45]

What betting odds would you offer me on the next PM being Mark Carney vs the next PM being Pierre Poilievre?

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Dominic did what he was asked to do - float the trial balloon of the possibility of Justin leaving - the idea is now there, said out loud and the polling will follow and Justin will step down before summer. Mark Carney is ready and has been working the circuit and his french is vastly improved... new budget in the spring with a reset in time for the election and economy in better shape and the US imploding with whatever happens there.

Latest Liberal fan fiction.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by lio45

What betting odds would you offer me on the next PM being Mark Carney vs the next PM being Pierre Poilievre?

If you offered me 30-1 I wouldn't take Carney as the next elected PM. I think most likely Trudeau doesn't resign. If he does Carney is a long shot to win leadership and even longer shot to beat PP.

[lio45]

I was thinking, even if I offered him a fairly generous 1:10, winning would not beat my expected return on capital, given that I'd have to freeze the funds in a third party's in-trust account for 1.5 year.

Even 1:5 would be a pretty bad investment for me even if I win.

1:1 would be good though, i.e. he's exactly as confident Mark Carney will be the next PM as I am that it'll be Pierre Poilievre. Doubling my money in 1.5 year, is better than my average.

[lio45]

That said, there are ways around the freezing of capital for the duration of the bet. If he's solvent, as I am, we could both take notarized oaths or something; if PP becomes PM he gives me $10k, if Mark Carney becomes PM I give him $100k, no need for freezing anything in the meantime. (If the next PM is a different person than these two, nothing happens.)

[lio45]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

If you offered me 30-1 I wouldn't take Carney as the next elected PM. I think most likely Trudeau doesn't resign. If he does Carney is a long shot to win leadership and even longer shot to beat PP.

As I pointed out above, you shouldn't take the opposite bet either if the conditions require putting the money for real. Taking $30k right now and having it turn into $31k when Canada gets a new PM and it's not Mark Carney is a pathetically bad investment

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by lio45

I was thinking, even if I offered him a fairly generous 1:10, winning would not beat my expected return on capital, given that I'd have to freeze the funds in a third party's in-trust account for 1.5 year.

Even 1:5 would be a pretty bad investment for me even if I win.

1:1 would be good though, i.e. he's exactly as confident Mark Carney will be the next PM as I am that it'll be Pierre Poilievre. Doubling my money in 1.5 year, is better than my average.

Surely the most die hard Liberals around don't think they have even odds of getting re-elected with anyone as leader? Trudeau himself doesn't think that. He probably thinks it's 1 in 4 but he's overcome odds before so can do it.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Surely the most die hard Liberals around don't think they have even odds of getting re-elected with anyone as leader? Trudeau himself doesn't think that. He probably thinks it's 1 in 4 but he's overcome odds before so can do it.

The window to resign was 2023.

Even if Trudeau quits this summer, a leadership convention is unlikely to occur before December. A new leader will be appointing a Cabinet in January and have only months to write a speech from the throne and draft and pass a budget. The election campaign essentially starts when the house rises in June, so a new leader would have a 4 months campaign badly trailing the Tories in financing.

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Dominic did what he was asked to do - float the trial balloon of the possibility of Justin leaving - the idea is now there, said out loud and the polling will follow and Justin will step down before summer. Mark Carney is ready and has been working the circuit and his french is vastly improved... new budget in the spring with a reset in time for the election and economy in better shape and the US imploding with whatever happens there.

Where is the Lilly pad for the P.M. to jump to? I have very little respect for JT but he does seem to love a fight. I don't think however he could handle the humiliation of losing to PP. Where would Katy and company end up? They destroyed Ontario and its finances and gave Ontarians Doug. Doug has learned on the job and is playing the game and will probably defeat Cromby until she has been tempered in a few years.

You should read the Line blog about Matt Gurneys discussion with an old time Tory organizer who has some revealing insight to the mood out there. Men are going to obliterate the Liberals in the next election. Many will "yes yes dear" their wife's but vote Conservative in the next election. The coalition of Blue Liberals, you know the ones that can count but don't exist in Justin's party and the Progressive Conservatives have had enough. The Liberals , not just Justin are gone. They are the same bunch that fired Harper in 2015.

The recent Capital exodus numbers were released for January and February. Canada had a net loss of 15 Billion per month in the dead of Winter. Those numbers will probably accelerate this year until the Socialists are gone. Much to fix in this NDP/Liberal socialist paradise. Much to fix. And dismantle. NATO and the Yanks will have something to say if we try to gut our Military again.

Be ready for the ads decrying the lost opportunity's to sell Natural gas to Greece, Germany, and Japan as not only helping our Allies for the next thirty years but also displacing far dirtier energy sources like German lignite Coal thus reducing WORLD emission's. The Carbon Tax silliness is dead and hopefully that Bike riding career of Steven Guibault. He can go back to raiding Danielle's roof in Edmonton.

[ssiguy]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

This type of posting will not be tolerated. It is fine to have a difference of opinion.

I would delete, but I am leaving it up as a warning.

I completely concur.

Calling anyone who doesn't agree with your perspective and hence having no "good conscious, sound mind, reasonable judgement, and basic observational skills" is offensive and does nothing to further the conversation.

Throwing mud just to get your point across is not acceptable nor respectful. It is also against the forum rules of not using personal attacks and slander and if you cannot abide by these rules then you should excuse yourself before someone does it for you.

[ssiguy]

LeBlanc maybe the one Trudeau has appointed to be the interim leader of the Party if Trudeau does us all a favour and takes his walk in the snow, {here's hoping for a May blizzard} but as leader into the next election he is useless. He is a basic unknown to Canadians and he's nothing more than Trudeau's lapdog and that also applies to Freeland and Annand.

In order for the Liberals to have any shot at the next election, the new leader must be outside Trudeau's inner circle or it will not be viewed as any real change and with all the baggage of Trudeau acting as a noose around their collective necks. PP will make mincemeat out of them. Carney has no such affiliation and would be viewed by the electorate as a truly fresh face with a new vision.

Carney is personable, has very good communication skills, has instant name recognition amongst Canadians, has a solid record of financial management having fairly successfully managing Canada thru the 2008 Financial Crisis and Britain during Brexit, would be embraced by the business community, is fluently bilingual, and is from the NWT of all places which means he could not be pigeon holed into being just another Golden Triangle boy by Westerners or another Western hick by Quebecers and Ontarians.

The thing that gives me optimism about Carney is that, although never specifically stating he would want the job, he has stated that it is an "option". In the gentile world of diplomacy, that's about as big as a commitment one can make.

[acottawa]

What would Carney run on? Trudeau’s record?

He could conceivably throw Trudeau and Singh under the bus and propose a completely new, centrist agenda, but that is a really awkward position to fight an election on, particularly with no room to manoeuvre.