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Sic'EmBears · #**4421** Posted **Oct 10, 2016, 2:48 AM**

Taken yesterday, by me:

Bleu Ciel

drummer · #**4422** Posted **Oct 10, 2016, 12:12 PM**

^ How many more floors does this one have?

Thanks for the pics.

Sic'EmBears · #**4423** Posted **Oct 10, 2016, 3:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by drummer

^ How many more floors does this one have?

Thanks for the pics.

You're welcome.

It's a bit unclear. The building is stated to have 33 floors, yet renderings show 30/31.

Austin55 · #**4424** Posted **Oct 10, 2016, 10:45 PM**

10 Story, 162 room hotel proposed in downtown Fort Worth. Will include garage and ground floor retail. Flag is Hilton Garden Inn.

More info

Sic'EmBears · #**4425** Posted **Oct 11, 2016, 10:18 PM**

One huge step towards DART's downtown subway line:

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Our civic engagement made a difference. Today—in a dramatic reversal—the Dallas City Council voted unanimously for a resolution that not only called for D2 to be a subway, but established the D2 subway as the city's highest transportation priority, in addition to improved bus service for our most transit-dependent riders and the Dallas Streetcar. That’s right—14 council members switched their support from a surface line to a subway.

For more info, register at a Coalition For A New Dallas.

cabasse · #**4426** Posted **Oct 11, 2016, 10:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sic'EmBears

One huge step towards DART's downtown subway line:

For more info, register at a Coalition For A New Dallas.

that is great to hear.

Thymant · #**4427** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 12:24 AM**

Skyline Update by me

Thymant · #**4428** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 12:26 AM**

The Rolex Building

Taken by me

clubtokyo · #**4429** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 3:04 AM**

How come Dallas does not have its own subset site on here?

drummer · #**4430** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 10:04 AM**

Posted this on the Texas thread, thought I'd put it here also:

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Originally Posted by Slyfox

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee...40-and.html#g7

Article out today by the IBJ, Houston's metro area projected to grow by 66.7% between now and 2040, from 6.6 million now to 11+ million by 2040.

Thanks to Slyfox for posting this link in the Houston thread. The article lists many Texas metros on here and their respective population projections. Here are they are:

Austin-Round Rock, TX
2015 Population: 2,000,860
2040 Projection: 3,971,820 (+98.5% change)

Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX
2015 Population: 6,656,947
2040 Projection: 11,098,843 (+66.7% change)

San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX
2015 Population: 2,384,075
2040 Projection: 3,750,542 (+57.3% change)

Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX
2015 Population: 7,102,288
2040 Projection: 10,903,288 (+53.5% change)

McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX
2015 Population: 842,304
2040 Projection: 1,274,681 (+51.3% change)

So, my first thought is, "Wow!" That's some crazy growth. My second thought is that I don't see Houston passing DFW in population...but maybe I'm wrong.

eburress · #**4431** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 4:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by drummer

Posted this on the Texas thread, thought I'd put it here also:

Thanks to Slyfox for posting this link in the Houston thread. The article lists many Texas metros on here and their respective population projections. Here are they are:

Austin-Round Rock, TX
2015 Population: 2,000,860
2040 Projection: 3,971,820 (+98.5% change)

Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX
2015 Population: 6,656,947
2040 Projection: 11,098,843 (+66.7% change)

San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX
2015 Population: 2,384,075
2040 Projection: 3,750,542 (+57.3% change)

Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX
2015 Population: 7,102,288
2040 Projection: 10,903,288 (+53.5% change)

McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX
2015 Population: 842,304
2040 Projection: 1,274,681 (+51.3% change)

So, my first thought is, "Wow!" That's some crazy growth. My second thought is that I don't see Houston passing DFW in population...but maybe I'm wrong.

Yeah, I don't see Houston passing DFW either.

TTU Arch · #**4432** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 5:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by drummer

So, my first thought is, "Wow!" That's some crazy growth. My second thought is that I don't see Houston passing DFW in population...but maybe I'm wrong.

Agreed. I think the projections are more of a snap shot of what is going on now and how that will translate into the future. For those numbers to be obtained in Houston, they (city leaders) need to get aggressive on diversifying the economy. Especially now with the energy industry changing rapidly. Detroit showed what happens when a city's major industry retools, changes...etc. Houston showed last year into this year how much it is still tied to the energy industry... Luckily Texas as a whole is very diversified.

Historically Houston MSA has volatile cycles with high growth periods followed by slow periods. For example: 80's had a growth of 2.2% after a growth of 31% in the 70's.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston.... 2.2% growth in the 80's, 19.8% in the 90's and 7.5% in the 2000's. Currently on track for 10.8% (per Wikipedia) for the 2010's.

For DFW during that same time period: 24.5% growth in the 70's; 32.2% in the 80's, 29.4% in the 90's and 24.5% in the 2000's.

Sic'EmBears · #**4433** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 6:00 PM**

Projecting future population by the same growth percentage for nearly three decades seems fairly unreasonable.

jshdodd · #**4434** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 12:29 AM**

Imagine how dramatic the skyline will look if the proposed 600 footer for Victory Park is ever built. Along with the Perot Tower.

houston19514 · #**4435** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 3:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by TTU Arch

Agreed. I think the projections are more of a snap shot of what is going on now and how that will translate into the future. For those numbers to be obtained in Houston, they (city leaders) need to get aggressive on diversifying the economy. Especially now with the energy industry changing rapidly. Detroit showed what happens when a city's major industry retools, changes...etc. Houston showed last year into this year how much it is still tied to the energy industry... Luckily Texas as a whole is very diversified.

Historically Houston MSA has volatile cycles with high growth periods followed by slow periods. For example: 80's had a growth of 2.2% after a growth of 31% in the 70's.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston.... 2.2% growth in the 80's, 19.8% in the 90's and 7.5% in the 2000's. Currently on track for 10.8% (per Wikipedia) for the 2010's.

For DFW during that same time period: 24.5% growth in the 70's; 32.2% in the 80's, 29.4% in the 90's and 24.5% in the 2000's.

Your historical numbers are whack. It appears you are comparing Houston city growth with Dfw metro growth, along with, apparently, other problems. For example, the growth rates for the 2000s were:

DFW: 23.4%
Houston: 26.1%. http://https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-01.pdf

And FWIW, Houston's metro growth in the 80s and 90s was 19.6% and 25.2%, reprctively, not 2.2 and 19.8. On, and it's grown by 12.44% in just the first 5 years of the 2010s,

Sic'EmBears · #**4436** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 4:09 AM**

D-FW's office building leasing market leads the nation, and construction ranks second
Steve Brown
October 6, 2016

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Dallas-Fort Worth's fast-growing economy has made it the hottest office market in the country.

During the first nine months of 2016, the area led the country in net office leasing with 3.6 million square feet of transactions, according to commercial real estate firm Cushman & Wakefield.

D-FW was second in office construction to New York, with almost 8 million square feet of buildings under construction.

Along with North Texas, office construction is highest in Midtown Manhattan (9.5 million square feet), Silicon Valley (6.3 million square feet) and Seattle (4.6 million square feet).

North Texas' office market has continued to grow this year while other U.S. cities have seen a slowdown.

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Overall rents in the area are up more than 13 percent in 2016, behind only Brooklyn (14.5 percent) and San Francisco (13 percent) in total rent gains.

Full Article

TTU Arch · #**4437** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 2:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by houston19514

Your historical numbers are whack. It appears you are comparing Houston city growth with Dfw metro growth, along with, apparently, other problems. For example, the growth rates for the 2000s were:

DFW: 23.4%
Houston: 26.1%. http://https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-01.pdf

And FWIW, Houston's metro growth in the 80s and 90s was 19.6% and 25.2%, reprctively, not 2.2 and 19.8. On, and it's grown by 12.44% in just the first 5 years of the 2010s,

The numbers I posted relate to Houston MSA vs. DFW MSA. I do not compare to Houston municipal to Dallas municipal.

dollaztx · #**4438** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 3:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by eburress

Yeah, I don't see Houston passing DFW either.

I don't either. DFW is too diversified and has a lot going for it right now. I think DFW will actually increase the gap in population. Houston however will increase the gap in population as a city. If Houston metro can further diversify and oil ticks back up then it can certainly happen, but there are too many factors that need to happen for it to be on a trajectory to surpass DFW.

houston19514 · #**4439** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 4:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by TTU Arch

The numbers I posted relate to Houston MSA vs. DFW MSA. I do not compare to Houston municipal to Dallas municipal.

Dude, check your work. As a matter of verifiable fact, the numbers you posted for Houston were municipal growth numbers, not MSA numbers. The link you provided takes us to a Houston municipal wikipedia page, and does not give us any MSA growth information. (And I agree you did not compare Houston municipal to Dallas municipal. What you did was compare Houston municipal to Dallas MSA.)

TTU Arch · #**4440** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 5:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by houston19514

Dude, check your work. As a matter of verifiable fact, the numbers you posted for Houston were municipal growth numbers, not MSA numbers. The link you provided takes us to a Houston municipal wikipedia page, and does not give us any MSA growth information. (And I agree you did not compare Houston municipal to Dallas municipal. What you did was compare Houston municipal to Dallas MSA.)

If you feel the need to argue, please do this privately through messaging....