CHICAGO | Park Michigan | 866 FT / 264 M | 80 FLOORS | 2008 | NEVER BUILT

[kalmia]

Does $200 million seem a bit low to any of you for a building like this?

[jet cm]

Originally Posted by Loopy

Well, yes, the development is going "full steam ahead". The question is whether it will be a "tall skinny", or a "chubby".

The notion of "preconstruction", as suggested by the developers PR is an obvious necessity of site-prep, facade stabilization, and basic structural preparations.

The rest is dependant on the vagaries of Chicago politics.

The items you mention will all have to be done after procurement of the proper permits, they have not started yet. At this time it's only investigative work on the existing building.

[BVictor1]

Originally Posted by kalmia

Does $200 million seem a bit low to any of you for a building like this?

yes, it's a low bid.

The developers as well as the construction company have already admitted to the fact that it's a low bid and will more than likely go higher. What I believe they are trying to do is to procure as many of the materials now at it's current price so that costs will be lower.

[BVictor1]

Well, at least we now all know that durung the winter in the afternoon, the skyscrapers west of Michigan Avenue don't create that much of a shadow across.

Case-in-point the image below which comes from Wikipedia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...erial_View.jpg

[Rocket1]

^^^

Great photo.

Guess what's my new desktop background.

[jcchii]

nice. at least a year old though, with no 340 OTP

[Mr Roboto]

That pic just shows me that river north and the south loop are due for even more density filling in the next couple decades. Seeing that and pics from the 80's shows that trend. If I had some loot I would buy a couple square feet of land in those spots. Of course if i were that rich I would be a completely different person too.

Park Michigan may be the most important development for the chicago skyline other than the CS. At least as important as OMP and its friends, since it will link those together with the rest of the skyline. I think I should probably email that Haithcock lady too as soon as I can think of something eloquent to say.

[Alliance]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Hoffman Estates, Illinois-based Leopardo Construction has already begun site preconstruction, with construction set to begin in late 2007 for delivery in 2010.

This is good news.

[jet cm]

[QUOTE=BVictor1;2538959]Well, at least we now all know that durung the winter in the afternoon, the skyscrapers west of Michigan Avenue don't create that much of a shadow across.

Case-in-point the image below which comes from Wikipedia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...erial_View.jpg

Agreed that it's a cool pic. Thank you for finding it.

[jet cm]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...ck=1&cset=true

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainmen...well05.article

[headcase]

Originally Posted by jet cm

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...ck=1&cset=true

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainmen...well05.article

Hmmmm..... wrong thread?

Those links are about the Ritz-Carlton Residences and the Farwell Building located on N Michigan.

This thread is about the Park Michigan project @ 830 S Michigan.

SSDD

[jet cm]

Originally Posted by headcase

Hmmmm..... wrong thread?

Those links are about the Ritz-Carlton Residences and the Farwell Building located on N Michigan.

This thread is about the Park Michigan project @ 830 S Michigan.

SSDD

Sorry if I didn't explain the correlation.

The 830 existing facade is in pretty poor shape and may be leaning to the North and East several inches. In my opinion it would make the building more appealing to dismantle and re-assemble it rather than trying to marry in patches to the existing damaged areas that are out of plumb and level.

[honte]

^ I don't believe this one is going to be a problem. There is much less opposition to this one in the preservation community. It has to do with putting actual activity in the older building, the mid-block site of the YWCA, and the fact that the whole facade would be preserved without too much interference from the new building. It's much more akin to a Legacy project than to the Ritz proposal.

But you're right - the differences between the two do appear to be pretty fine. As VivaL said in the Boom Rundown, probably turning the facade into a giant parking garage is what sealed the fate of the Farwell concept.

[a chicago bearcat]

Originally Posted by BVictor1

Well, at least we now all know that durung the winter in the afternoon, the skyscrapers west of Michigan Avenue don't create that much of a shadow across.

Case-in-point the image below which comes from Wikipedia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...erial_View.jpg

this building is going to be 3 times taller than any of the other buildings in the area, and we don't know how late in the afternoon this photo was taken

summer would be more of a worry with shadows, because it's when grant park is used the most, If I had more time, I'd volunteer to make a model in sketchup to test the shadow of this building, but I just don't

also, this is by far my favorite shot of the central area, ever

[DANTHEDISCOMAN]

^Someone on SSC has already provided us with quite a few shadow studys that I believe failed to convince anyone shadows should be a concern in fact for most the little shadow study reinforced to all of us how stupid of an argument it really is in an urban environment.

[denizen467]

In the summer, by the time the sun is low enough to make much impact, it is probably north of west and thus casting shadows mainly on the southwest corner of the park, and largely on the IC tracks. On top of that, this is a very slender building, which is an opportunity that should be seized. Finally, only a few more of these supertalls, at most, will ever be built west of Grant Park, so there's little concern about setting a 'worrying' shadow-casting precedent. So shadows should be a non-issue.

[Sir Isaac Newton]

Originally Posted by a chicago bearcat

this building is going to be 3 times taller than any of the other buildings in the area, and we don't know how late in the afternoon this photo was taken

summer would be more of a worry with shadows, because it's when grant park is used the most, If I had more time, I'd volunteer to make a model in sketchup to test the shadow of this building, but I just don't

also, this is by far my favorite shot of the central area, ever

Actually, this building won't even be close to being 2 times taller than the Columbian, which is only a couple short blocks south.

[Latoso]

Originally Posted by a chicago bearcat

this building is going to be 3 times taller than any of the other buildings in the area

You're looking too short term. Five years from now when this is built, it will only be as tall as the tallest building in the area.

Originally Posted by a chicago bearcat

summer would be more of a worry with shadows, because it's when grant park is used the most

Good! It gets hot and humid in Chicago in the summer, we could use more cooling shadows not less.

[jet cm]

Originally Posted by honte

^ I don't believe this one is going to be a problem. There is much less opposition to this one in the preservation community. It has to do with putting actual activity in the older building, the mid-block site of the YWCA, and the fact that the whole facade would be preserved without too much interference from the new building. It's much more akin to a Legacy project than to the Ritz proposal.

But you're right - the differences between the two do appear to be pretty fine. As VivaL said in the Boom Rundown, probably turning the facade into a giant parking garage is what sealed the fate of the Farwell concept.

Thanks for the encouragement. Park Michigan's plans have condos fronting Michigan Ave. to screen the parking behind them.

[headcase]

Originally Posted by jet cm

Thanks for the encouragement. Park Michigan's plans have condos fronting Michigan Ave. to screen the parking behind them.

If I remember correctly the old facade will house retail (restaurant and spa?) as well as a residential entrance, at least for the first two levels.

SSDD