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Old Posted May 22, 2007, 7:26 PM
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Much of the greenspace in that rendering is trees along pedestrian walkways. The greener patches must be public courtyards since the street-level theme of this entire development is a public shopping/retail destination.
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Check out this pic of the Radius proposal's office tower. I'm liking the Radius project more and more. This building is much better looking (in my opinion) than the proposed Gateway Green tower down the street. I can't wait to see a good rendering of the residential building:

Radius office/commercial component (www.radiusvictoria.com)


Gateway Green seems like a terrific project in its own right, don't get me wrong, but I was hoping for a fancier design:

Gateway Green (www.gatewaygreen.ca)

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I like them both. Gateway Green looks like it'll be a better floor plan for office space....
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Perhaps when a more detailed/glossy rendering of Gateway Green comes out, it'll look as good or better than Radius. Assuming of course they also address the rather generic backside design.
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I see the website states Radius is 40% pre-leased.
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Old Posted May 23, 2007, 4:35 PM
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Gateway Green has not released any final design drawings yet. The drawings that we have seen so far are just massing studies. While I do like the radius building at large I remain unconvinced that the bottom floor will not turn out to be just like the Convention Centre.
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Wow, what a crazy long weekend!!! bahahaha....Anyways, just got a chance to post on this stuff.

I agree Aastra, I was really not liking the Radius project when it first came out, with the large wall look down Caledonia, but now I am so excited about it. Yesterday when I drove downtown I was looking at the Jack Davis Building and was visualizing the Radius there, with the Hudson behind it....very sexy!!!

So as to the Gateway Gree project I imagine that the rendering posted there is not what is going to come out of the wood works. I think we will be most excited by the actual final product...I know so.

And with the Roundhouse property, being in VicWest I like the green space. Had this been a downtown property I would not like it. I remember those publice boards they had people write what they wanted to see, many many people jotted down Green Space. Like Vancouver's West end I like it!

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David Chard put forward his Johnson St. Billiards proposal today. Some of you have probably already seen it . It's the same floor plate as the Juliet and is also at 14 stories.

Farmer is going to be the contractor for the Telus lot site kitty corner to the Juliet as well.

Another tidbit is The Holiday Inn is having a hell of a time getting it's Hotel built in Jamesbay looks like it's another give up, like Chard's Michigan St. proposal....Seems Jamesbay is getting there way again via bullying tactics. However The Jamesbay group is not going to deter Westbank that's for sure.

One of the funniest things regarding the Crystal Court Motel site is Pita VanDyke. She lives on the 14 floor in a highrise building in Jamesbay. She is the strongest voice against highrises in and around Jamesbay. I wonder if She wants to keep her view? I also wonder if voting on neighbouring proposals at APC meetings would be a conflict of interest?

Chris Coleman and some of the other Councilors are in Calgary this week till the 10th of June for the Municipalities Conventions of Canada. Maybe being in Calgary will inspire him to favor the Crystal Court Project!!!
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I am also excited about Westbank getting their "Awareness Campaign" in gear. I think it's imperative that the Gallery gets in high gear to make this proposal a highly publicized event. By doing so and getting the City residences and business owners excited about having a new Art Gallery of 22,000 sq feet right beside the Museum and Conference Center it will put pressure on the City to vote in favor of it, and in essence put them in a place of voting the right decision and not voting in fear of the JBNEA.
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Victoria is funny that way. The harshest criticisms of tall buildings often come from people who live in tall buildings. Remember that letter-to-the-editor from the guy and his wife who owned a unit in Astoria? They had a problem with the Aria proposal, which is ironic because Astoria is 20 stories tall and the tallest building in south downtown.

And we can't forget the fellow in Regents Park who wanted to "preserve" Harris Green as a lowrise district. He didn't seem to have a problem with the fact that the building he lived in was 17 stories tall.
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Hey Aastra, I think aboutthat guy in Regent's Park a lot actually. When I do I always laugh at him because it's So crazy. He's the most outspoken guy in Harris Green and really he's only concerned about his view.


I drove by the Aria today I am really liking it. Even only at twelve stories it's got such a nice design. When the Crystal Court goes in too, hopefully at around 20 stories, The Aria will have such a nice contrast in height. I don't like seeing every building the same height so in fact having the Aria at two twelves may actually be a much nicer fit between taller buildings.

By the way, I had a coffee with Dave from Westbank the other night. I asked him if when the shangri la is done if we could go to the top and take some photos and or just check out the view....he said he would let us up!!!

Also We can do the same with the Juliet downtown when it gets completed.
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And some of the fiercest advocates for highrises are those of us who actually own and preserve Victoria's heritage buildings....
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I absolutely love Victoria's old town and the revamped old heritage buildings. I always here that saying by those who hate highrise development..."We don't want to be like Vancouver". Well Victoria would never be like Vancouver. With Victoria's old town and the layout of the downtown even with many more hudson's and gateway green projects, Victoria will never be anything like Vancouver. The cities are totally different than each other.

I am just so excited to see the city change and so fast with the all the new residential buildings and now new class A office towers. Like I have said before just the Hudson and Radius developments alone will add over a 60 percent increase to the downtown population. And with the new office towers going up these new residences will now have downtown jobs! Included into that is the Crystal Court proposal with the art gallery amenity, the city is now increasing it's public entertainment infastructure.

All in all with in such a small period of time the City of Victoria is completely revitalizing itself. I am so excited. Also because everybody on this board had a part in kick starting this change. It's all about "can one person make a difference?" And the answer is yes, as every individual on this forum from Victoria has made this difference. AND How exciting is that?
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Hey Zoomer and I are going out to take some photos tomorrow ( Weather permitting)

Anyone else want to join you're more than welcome.

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So where are those pics????
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Hahahaha!!!

Aastra! Sorry buddy!

J. Man and I were going to go out this afternoon to take photos. I ended up having a good friend call for a hand on something unexpectedly. However I phoned Zoomer and he ended up having company come over at night so we weren't able to do it, except for about an hour window between four and five which really didn't give us enough time.

Soooooo in short, pictures will be posted by next weekend, we are going to go out sometime this week after work and have a fun evening of photo taking.....

Goal to see if we can get the manager of the Orchard House to grant us a photo shoot!!! hahaha....serious. We also have a few other cool spots to take some photos from that we haven't shot yet...so I am kinda excited to see how they turn out.

Anyways...till then!
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I absolutely love Victoria's old town and the revamped old heritage buildings. I always here that saying by those who hate highrise development..."We don't want to be like Vancouver". Well Victoria would never be like Vancouver. With Victoria's old town and the layout of the downtown even with many more hudson's and gateway green projects, Victoria will never be anything like Vancouver. The cities are totally different than each other.

I am just so excited to see the city change and so fast with the all the new residential buildings and now new class A office towers. Like I have said before just the Hudson and Radius developments alone will add over a 60 percent increase to the downtown population. And with the new office towers going up these new residences will now have downtown jobs! Included into that is the Crystal Court proposal with the art gallery amenity, the city is now increasing it's public entertainment infastructure.

All in all with in such a small period of time the City of Victoria is completely revitalizing itself. I am so excited. Also because everybody on this board had a part in kick starting this change. It's all about "can one person make a difference?" And the answer is yes, as every individual on this forum from Victoria has made this difference. AND How exciting is that?


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Some of you may have read this already, however it was in the Business Examiner!

An interesting and dissappointing comment from Lowe, and a great comment from Rob Randall.

I think the Mayor just doesn't want to make a stand one way or the other. To please both sides. Frustrating really!!!




Does Gateway Green’s variance set a bad precedent, or just a sane one?

A shortage of premium office space could turn the City of Gardens into the City of Towers as plans are afoot to start building some of the city’s tallest structures near the downtown core in violation of time-honoured zoning rules, warns Victoria’s mayor, Alan Lowe.

“This will break new ground definitely. If council sees that this is the only way office buildings can be built in the downtown core, we may see more taller buildings,” says Lowe.

At 15 storeys and 57 metres tall, Gateway Green would provide 140,000 square feet of sorely needed premium space. Located at the corner of Blanshard and Fisgard streets, it will achieve the LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) Silver standard and will feature a “living wall” (vertical garden).

“We identified a real need for Class A office space,” Gateway Green developer Travis Lee told the Business Examiner.

The need has gone unmet for so long, says Lee, because the city’s height restrictions make it unprofitable to build office space downtown where it is needed.

“We’re looking at 10 years since Victoria developed a Class A office building (St. Andrews Square) for the private sector. You need to have this type of density to support this type of development,” says Lee.

Lowe readily admits the city gave height allowances to the developers of The Hudson, a tri-tower 500-plus residence and commercial development, that would revitalize the old Bay building area in the north end of downtown. The tallest building will stretch 24 storeys high. But there was a reason.

“Due to the fact they’re saving that heritage Bay building, we’d give them that extra height.”

Lowe says that was a unique project, now one he fears has set a dangerous precedent.

“My comfort level was not there. I felt this project (Gateway Green) was a bit too big and a bit too dense for this site. If it was a larger site, reducing the density and the massing of the building, it might be a different story.”

Lee took the unusual step of revealing his proforma to council in the hopes of justifying the unusual density. The finished square-foot ratio would be 7.6 to 1. That means for every 1,000 square feet of land, there would be 7,600 square feet of finished space, potentially the highest FSR in the city.

“That’s the smallest we can build the building with an expectation that it‘ll be profitable,” says Lee.

Is it justified? Absolutely, says an industrial specialist with Colliers International.

“There’s probably demand for 150,000 square feet,” according to Ty Whittaker.

“There are a lot of companies that are expanding and are needing to find space and they just can’t find anything. The cost of land and the cost of construction is so high that it’s really proving to be a barrier.”

A Colliers market report for 2006 stated Victoria lost more than 105,000 square feet of office in the past eight years, leaving it with an uncomfortable, and so far, unaddressed, deficit.

Whittaker says the city’s residential boom pushed developers to put up living space instead of office space, leaving only condos on the drawing board.

In a recently-released study, Coriolis Consulting said the city needs another 1,000,000 square feet in the next decade, and is at risk of losing more and more business to the suburbs.

That’s the void Travis Lee’s 40-million dollar project would start to fill.

“There’s certainly pent up demand . . . so we’re trying to be the ones that fulfill that need,” says Lee.

According to Lee, support has not only come from council itself, but the city’s Advisory Design Panel and community groups like the Downtown Residents’ Association.

DRA chair Robert Randall says the project actually helps balance the Hudson project, creating a healthy mix of business and residential.

“We’re so excited. It provides safety and vibrancy. Y

ou have a busy area with the business during the day, and a busy area with the residences at night.”

Randall says the creation of new space not only aids the economy by bringing in new operations or companies to the city, but also enables smaller companies to move into Class B or Class C space vacated by existing companies who choose to upgrade. Plus it addresses an aesthetic issue as well.“We have a lot of land sitting fallow and no one seems to know what to do about it. It’s heartbreaking to see it sit like this.”

Randall cautions those who might ask to scale down Lee’s development with seemingly minor alterations would actually create more problems.

“We could lop three or four storeys off Gateway Green, but that means we’d have to put it somewhere else. If you start stripping density, it simply pushes it somewhere else. Where can it go?”

Lee wants to build more in the donwtown, especially aroun Antique Row on Fort Street. “I think this will, you know, put Victoria back into the seat of being the business centre for the CRD.” BE
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rrskylar??? Please what? confused!!!


Hey I am doing a job for the V.P. of Harbour Air. As a tip I am getting a round trip for me and some friends on the harbor to harbor flight with some Canucks tickets and Hotel! Pretty Exciting since I have never been to a Canucks game before!

I am also taking a four month Course in Vancouver starting in January - April of 08. It's a full time course so I will be living in Vancouver for four months for the first time...while I have someone run my business for me over here. I'm looking forward to it!!!
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Hard to believe your mayor could be so ambivalent about this project. How many jobs are going uncreated, how many tax dollars uncollected, because of the unreasonable limits to development of office space? Nobody wants to see heritage buildings destroyed, but that's certainly not the case here. It would be great to redevelop many of those one-story antique stores along Fort St. too.
Anyway, Victoria changed so little and so incrementally (apart from the Eaton Centre fiasco) when I lived there, now every time I visit there's something new to go check out.
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