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Old Posted Dec 1, 2020, 8:57 AM
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Not quite the Lloyd, but that could be large development being discussed over in the Central Eastside thread? (Technically not the Central Eastside either, and maybe worth its own thread if it moves forward...)
I feel like that area of East Burnside really needs to be classified as its own neighborhood at this point.
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I feel like that area of East Burnside really needs to be classified as its own neighborhood at this point.
I've heard this area referred to as LoBu (Lower Burnside) in certain trendy circles
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2021, 12:32 AM
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Lloyd Center on the brink as businesses depart en masse: ‘This mall is going down’

Ishmail Chorduky, the owner of Stitchworks Custom Embroidery, has operated two centrally-located kiosks at the Lloyd Center mall for almost a decade. From his post next to Lloyd Center’s iconic ice skating rink, Chorduky has witnessed the Northeast Portland mall’s rapid decline firsthand.

The mall lost Nordstrom in 2015. Sears and Marshalls then moved out in 2018. Lloyd Center’s problems only intensified last year amid the coronavirus pandemic as anchor tenants and signature businesses departed en masse.

Chorduky said he was shocked when Victoria’s Secret vacated its long-held spot across from his kiosks. Macy’s then announced in December that it would leave its 298,000-square-foot space and lay off all 83 of its Lloyd Center employees, becoming the fourth anchor store to depart in the last six years. All three floors the department store occupied on the mall’s south side are now completely empty, leaving a massive void.

Chorduky said he has asked mall management multiple times whether the center might close for good. He said he has received no response. But he no longer sees a future at the mall for his business. He is planning to leave and open a store elsewhere.

“I have been at Lloyd Center for almost 10 years, but I feel like this mall is going down,” Chorduky said.
...continues at the Oregonian (subscription required).
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2021, 1:19 AM
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How does the mall bosses spin this ?
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2021, 9:00 PM
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How does the mall bosses spin this ?
They actually didn't really respond at all. Just that they're focused on supporting the current tenants and will have updates later.

In the article posted below behind the paywall:
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Lloyd Center management declined an interview request from The Oregonian/OregonLive, too, and would not answer questions via email about the future of the mall beyond saying that they were continuing to support current tenants and building community partnerships.

“These are challenging times for many retail businesses, but Lloyd Center is constantly identifying new ways to reimagine the mall and provide a vibrant space for Oregonians to enjoy,” said Ann Grimmer, marketing director for Lloyd Center and the mall’s owner, Cypress Equities. “We understand that our community is eagerly awaiting updates, but right now our focus remains on supporting current tenants and expanding community partnership opportunities.”
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What are we putting the odds on this becoming the location for the baseball stadium?
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2021, 11:32 AM
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What are we putting the odds on this becoming the location for the baseball stadium?
Why you say that? MLB has already recently said expansion is pushed off further now that the pandemic is here..
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2021, 4:57 AM
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^Landing a professional sports team is generally based on preparation and hope. Who'd of thunk OK would steal an NBA team from Seattle? Portland needs to have a plan to be ready to strike when the pan gets hot!

For the Lloyd Mall, I hope the city helps in a re-imagining the area. A new urban renewal district set up through Prosper Portland to re-energize dozens of inner city acres, close to a possible transit hub, is vital in keeping the inner core healthy.

A closed and abandoned Lloyd Mall would be an utter disaster for inner NE Portland.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2021, 5:38 AM
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What are we putting the odds on this becoming the location for the baseball stadium?
I could see them working with the MLBtoPDX group to build a stadium on half the site and on the other half building a mixed used entertainment/shopping center with residential.
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I could see them working with the MLBtoPDX group to build a stadium on half the site and on the other half building a mixed used entertainment/shopping center with residential.
I would love to see some restoration of the street grid, but an entertainment center with some apartments would be great to offset the dead zone around stadiums during non-game days.

It's unfortunate that Rose Quarter is so quiet outside of Blazer games.
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I would like to see activated open air pathways through the site, but perhaps only 11th Ave restored as a full street ROW for cars, buses, and all. It would be nice to have some more unique spaces in the city with car-free areas and public plazas. This is a fantastic opportunity for the city to liven up this area.
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^Landing a professional sports team is generally based on preparation and hope. Who'd of thunk OK would steal an NBA team from Seattle? Portland needs to have a plan to be ready to strike when the pan gets hot!

For the Lloyd Mall, I hope the city helps in a re-imagining the area. A new urban renewal district set up through Prosper Portland to re-energize dozens of inner city acres, close to a possible transit hub, is vital in keeping the inner core healthy.

A closed and abandoned Lloyd Mall would be an utter disaster for inner NE Portland.
This is my biggest fear. Even if the owners allow it to wallow along without any anchor tenants it will eventually turn into a blighted space. Whatever happens, it will take years, or decades, before any plans are realized.

I am beginning to be concerned with the idea of prioritizing a stadium here, too. I believe this to be the best possible site for it, but leaving a big chunk of land in the district (assuming demo of the mall) for something that MIGHT happen is a big risk.
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This is my biggest fear. Even if the owners allow it to wallow along without any anchor tenants it will eventually turn into a blighted space. Whatever happens, it will take years, or decades, before any plans are realized.

I am beginning to be concerned with the idea of prioritizing a stadium here, too. I believe this to be the best possible site for it, but leaving a big chunk of land in the district (assuming demo of the mall) for something that MIGHT happen is a big risk.
A stadium would be great in this location, but one of the (often under-appreciated) things that makes mega projects work, is all the small scale investment that precedes them. In my view this is why the AAT projects in the area have struggled. We need entrepreneurs to open interesting businesses in the neighborhood, a good food cart pod, a few scrappy wood frame housing projects, etc. You need a baseline level of vitality in the surrounding neighborhood for a mega project to be successful. So far at least the Lloyd district doesn't have this.

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Rose Quarter/OCC/Hotels Zone/Lloyd Center

Since the days of placing the possible MLB Stadium at the PPS site I have been following this from afar (spent time helping the MLBtoPDX group(2003?)). I don't like the westside stadium on the river because of the lack of transit.

Now if we can work toward a placement of the MLB Stadium on the central or eastern side of the Lloyd Center(LC) site we could see a Rose Quarter to LC entertainment zone that could support events at all three major venues. Hotels/Condos/Apartments could be zoned for the areas around the three venues. Restaurants/Grocery Stores/Coffee Shops/Nike Stores everywhere on the first or top floors. And lots of parks for those people who could care less about conventions/sports/concerts.

I sure like the idea of making most of the streets narrow or non-auto corridors. Grid pattern blocks could be just a little larger than downtown. Increases the possibility for taller buildings (would bring in more developers). Portland's tallest will be at LC and entertainment will be the magnet in the creation of Portland second downtown. A 5,000 seat concert venue is also possible (I think it was talked about inside the Lloyd Center???).

Someone working that zone could have work every day and night of the week.

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Old Posted Jan 28, 2021, 12:13 AM
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Since the days of placing the possible MLB Stadium at the PPS site I have been following this from afar (spent time helping the MLBtoPDX group(2003?)). I don't like the westside stadium on the river because of the lack of transit.

Now if we can work toward a placement of the MLB Stadium on the central or eastern side of the Lloyd Center(LC) site we could see a Rose Quarter to LC entertainment zone that could support events at all three major venues. Hotels/Condos/Apartments could be zoned for the areas around the three venues. Restaurants/Grocery Stores/Coffee Shops/Nike Stores everywhere on the first or top floors. And lots of parks for those people who could care less about conventions/sports/concerts.

I sure like the idea of making most of the streets narrow or non-auto corridors. Grid pattern blocks could be just a little larger than downtown. Increases the possibility for taller buildings (would bring in more developers). Portland's tallest will be at LC and entertainment will be the magnet in the creation of Portland second downtown. A 5,000 seat concert venue is also possible (I think it was talked about inside the Lloyd Center???).

Someone working that zone could have work every day and night of the week.

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I think this is whats going to happen. There’s rumors the Lloyd Center management folks stopped all the progress they were going to make (Livenation, new movie theater, etc) bc they got word of the interest on the site.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence while Portland was experiencing a boom all that progress just stops. Mind you this stopped well before the pandemic.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2021, 6:51 AM
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I would love to see some restoration of the street grid, but an entertainment center with some apartments would be great to offset the dead zone around stadiums during non-game days.

It's unfortunate that Rose Quarter is so quiet outside of Blazer games.
My hope with the Rose Quarter is that someday we will get a transit or light rail tunnel under the Willamette that will connect to a huge underground station at the Rose Quarter that hooks up to a high speed rail line that would turn that area into a massive transportation hub.

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A stadium would be great in this location, but one of the (often under-appreciated) things that makes mega projects work, is all the small scale investment that precedes them. In my view this is why the AAT projects in the area have struggled. We need entrepreneurs to open interesting businesses in the neighborhood, a good food cart pod, a few scrappy wood frame housing projects, etc. You need a baseline level of vitality in the surrounding neighborhood for a mega project to be successful. So far at least the Lloyd district doesn't have this.
With the Lloyd District, you sort of have this small business, smaller buildings style along NE Broadway, but the Lloyd Center really cuts off that area from the rest of the district. Plus it doesn't help that a couple companies own much of the land in the Lloyd District, which makes it much harder for smaller projects to happen.


Added: I just realized I am commenting to two different Adams.
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