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Old Posted Apr 4, 2020, 5:54 AM
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2020, 6:39 PM
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^ Gang should have designed the building with the mechanical floors and louvers in mind, so no one would have to argue what the best way to tack them on would be. At this point it is what it is which is why I'm not trying to be too negative about it.
^Well, this is exactly the point. No one should (and no one probably has until now) start any architectural project, much less a skyscraper, without a concept not just for the form, but the structure, the MEP (mech/elec/plumbing), and the program functioning in all of this. As far as I can tell, this project fails all of the above except for arguably achieving the 'form' goal...

We can argue endlessly about what would have been a better solution for the louvers or the blow-through, but it's a straw man that was created when all of these other design issues were ignored...

As far as the rendering of the south view of the tower, that indeed was/is the south view. The re-positioning of the tallest tower to the west occurred way before the latest iteration of the window wall vocabulary. That rendering just underscores a willful ignorance occurring in the architect's office with regard to the unpleasant or aesthetically awkward needs of the project...
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Honest question: What would you want them to do instead? The mechanicals need louvers to function properly. The way I see it black is the best possible color when you consider the fact that they can't match them to the color of the glass since that changes every day depending on lighting and weather. Painted metal wouldn't be able to match the shifting, so I'd personally much rather have consistent black louvers than blue louvers that are only matching the glass once a year.
^ A shade of blue or green would have been far better than black. Hell, they could have used 7 separate tones of blue/green and it would have looked 10x better than the black!
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I would love to see Blair Kamin call for someone's head. At this point I just want someone to come out and say we fucked up, we're sorry, we've learned from this. Also, didn't someone say that Aqua had some comparable design issue that wasn't expected (some fin issue)?[/QUOTE]

Isn't Blair Kamin a journalist or critic or something? How would he have any say in getting someone fired? That is just plain silly. Are you going to send him after Jeanne herself? I mean seriously.
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Why doesn't the middle black area extend all the way across?
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Isn't Blair Kamin a journalist or critic or something? How would he have any say in getting someone fired? That is just plain silly. Are you going to send him after Jeanne herself? I mean seriously.
It's called a takedown, Bill Dingdong. That's all I want. A nice scathing review that shames anyone responsible for the fuckup.
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It's called a takedown, Bill Dingdong. That's all I want. A nice scathing review that shames anyone responsible for the fuckup.
This is a good start:
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/opin...ing-thing-flaw
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Why doesn't the middle black area extend all the way across?
I've been wondering about this one too. Other people have guessed because they wanted glass in the other sections for views, but the glass flanking the louvers on this floor isn't vision glass. That is pretty apparent in this photo. There doesn't seem to be any reason why it couldn't have been blank off louvers instead.
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Why doesn't the middle black area extend all the way across?
Just trying to balance I guess. It is someone's living room to the right side, but is all mechanical space to the left side. Keeping it just in the middle is at least an attempt at symmetry.
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2020, 12:55 PM
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It's one black window louver off though. I've in the center tower wave it goes over by 1. THAT is what upsets me. If it was halfway on each side, I get it, but just missing by 1... ugh!

Overall they probably could have done with whole floor, but they want to sell that penthouse with a terrace. Not sure what level of sound deadening they will have with the mechanical stuff in the middle, but I'm sure they figured something out.
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Just trying to balance I guess. It is someone's living room to the right side, but is all mechanical space to the left side. Keeping it just in the middle is at least an attempt at symmetry.
Man all that did with symmetry is make it look like Charlie Chaplin's moustache starin' down on Grant Park. Also why didn't they split both of them with a shiny blue ribbon down the middle, the big one has that line through it and the upper one, that's the moustache. I can't unsee it.

Also on a side note i do think with this being a concrete building, them Monadnock thick walls would be great for hiding out from this covfefe apocalypse i've been prepping for.
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Why doesn't the middle black area extend all the way across?
Yikes, this building is looking butchered.
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2020, 2:47 PM
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^Amen. The louvers are a fundamental part of a tall tower composition.

Samsung Seocho by KPF is a great example of how to integrate them into a tower concept.
Burj Khalifa and Jin Mao by SOM are other good examples.
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Hopefully this can be rectified with paint. Otherwise I guess I'll always avoid approaching it from the South.... which will be difficult while living on the southside lol.
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This is all very depressing. But I'm glad this thread focused-up.

This EarthCam used to be very comforting while I was away.

https://www.earthcam.com/usa/illinoi...am=fieldmuseum

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I guess I'll always avoid approaching it from the South..
I think it looks decent from far enough away, like the top of the Skyway.
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Kind of a clunker tbh
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2020, 12:41 PM
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Yikes, this building is looking butchered.
I think it looks as if it were perpetually under construction.

Would look more acceptable if all three strips were only one floor thick.
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