15JUN07....Winnipeg Transit Summer Schedule Changes

[cslusarc]

[From the winnipegtransit.com website:]
2007 Summer Service Changes
Effective Sunday, June 17, Winnipeg Transit will introduce a number of summer schedule changes, as well as several route changes in northeast Winnipeg.

Schedule Changes
11 Kildonan - Portage Weekday, Saturday & Sunday
14 Ellice - St. Mary's Weekday
15 Mountain - Sargent Weekday
19 Marion - Logan/Notre Dame Weekday & Saturday
21 Portage Express Weekday
22 Assiniboia Express Weekday
24 Ness Express Weekday
25 Ness Super Express Weekday
28 Brookdside Express Weekday
40 All Seasons Express Weekday
41 Henderson Express Weekday
60 Pembina Weekday
62 Richmond Express Weekday
68 Crescent Weekday
79 Charleswood Sunday
83 Sunday
85 Weekday, Saturday & Sunday


Route Changes
11 Kildonan - revised routing via Rothesay
41 Henderson Express - new service on Raleigh, Headmaster and Rothesay via North Kildonan
85 - revised route and service hours will provide new service to Kildonan Place through River East, All Season, and Valley Gardens.

On-line schedules available: Monday, June 11, 2007
Timetable home delivery: Thursday, June 14, 2007

Timetables available June 11 at City of Winnipeg Libraries and Transit Service Centres.
Call the Transit InfoLine: 986-5700 for more information.

I'm expecting more details to be available on Monday. But it looks like major routing changes are coming to North Kildonan this time arround. Last time they made their spring update they posted new route maps early. [I wonder... will Winnipeg Transit extend the 41 Henderson Express back upto the north side of the North Perimeter Highway as originally planned in the Fall of '06?]

[vid]

You guys need light rail. Or BRT at least.

Good luck.

[1ajs]

they need a express bus to go up to the set of lights past the esso terminal...

[newflyer]

Whats the difference between express and super express?

I don't remember super express routes when I was there.

[spiritedenergy]

Originally Posted by newflyer

Whats the difference between express and super express?

I don't remember super express routes when I was there.

super express doesn't stop at all in a tract, while express buses stop at selected points.

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by newflyer

Whats the difference between express and super express?

I don't remember super express routes when I was there.

The concept for the SuperExpress came from research I did before the Direction to the Future report was published.

• Is designed to serve the outer suburbs to downtown customer
• Does not stop at the inner suburbs at all
• Stops at all downtown stops, as well as major ones in the central city

The 61 SuperExpress is the best example of the concept, although my proposal to Bill Menzies in 1999 was for service along Portage Ave. (using the 22 Assiniboia Express).

WT has introduced new SuperExpress routes since the original, but the concept has been so watered down, that the newer routes aren't really "Super" anymore.

Many if not all Super routes end (or begin) at the U of M. The concept I had envisaged would have the 22 go to a new Transit Terminal in Assiniboia (NOT "Unicity Mall", but closer east of it, where

The original concept was meant to demonstrate that speed improvements into public transit would attract riders, and that it would lead to a demand for rapid transit. That it did, and much more.

Now it's time to convert some of those routes to rail rapid transit.

[spiritedenergy]

Originally Posted by jimj_wpg

The concept for the SuperExpress came from research I did before the Direction to the Future report was published.

• Is designed to serve the outer suburbs to downtown customer
• Does not stop at the inner suburbs at all
• Stops at all downtown stops, as well as major ones in the central city

The 61 SuperExpress is the best example of the concept, although my proposal to Bill Menzies in 1999 was for service along Portage Ave. (using the 22 Assiniboia Express).

WT has introduced new SuperExpress routes since the original, but the concept has been so watered down, that the newer routes aren't really "Super" anymore.

The original concept was meant to demonstrate that speed improvements into public transit would attract riders, and that it would lead to a demand for rapid transit. That it did, and much more.

Now it's time to convert some of those routes to rail rapid transit.

so, do you mean that you are the creator of the superexpress concept?

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by spiritedenergy

so, do you mean that you are the creator of the superexpress concept?

Yes, I was Chair of a transit advocacy group from Novembe '97 till June '99 -- Citizens for Better Public Transit in Winnipeg (CBPTW).

The concept was borrowed from NYC's bus "layers":

• Local - stops every stop
• Limited Stop - Winnipeg's 'green' and 'red' Express routes
• Express - SuperExpress

[vid]

How long is the longest route in Winnipeg, from the out extremity to downtown? Ours is 60 minutes.

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by vid

How long is the longest route in Winnipeg, from the out extremity to downtown? Ours is 60 minutes.

The 77 Crosstown North is about 90 minutes in duration, from Polo Park to K.P.

No one in their right mind would take that whole trip though, although I have heard of a couple of co-workers who have.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by jimj_wpg

The 77 Crosstown North is about 90 minutes in duration, from Polo Park to K.P.

No one in their right mind would take that whole trip though, although I have heard of a couple of co-workers who have.

i have done it several times.....

[LilZebra]

However, back in the 50s, the longest route was the Grant:

Winnipeg Tribune - November 1, 1955 - Longest route in the city

[vid]

If you stay on our 1 Mainline, from Water Terminal and back, then to Fort William terminal, then Westfort, then to Fort William again then back to Water terminal after that, it takes 4 hours, but it goes to downtown. I've never done that, but I took the crosstown from PA to FW once and that's about 90 minutes too, but it stops at the university, and almost everyone gets off there.

Considering Winnipeg's size, a 90 minute route doesn't sound too bad.

[cslusarc]

More information....

Route 11 Kildonan-Portage

Route 41 Henderson Express

Route 85 North Kildonan

Route 11 Kildonan "Rothesay" branch routes revised:
- no change in routing (from downton) until Rothesay St & Gilmore Ave
- turns right onto Gilmore Ave (heading eastbound) until Raleigh St
- turns left onto Raleigh St (heading northboud) until McIvor Loop
- McIvor Loop offers interchange with 11 Portage (to downton via "Donwood"), 41 Henderson Experss to downton in the AM peak, and 85 North Kildonan (to Kildonan Place via All Seasons; or to Chief Peguis Loop via Headmaster).
- Runtime from Henderson and Edison is as short as 9 minutes vs 12 minutes with the current routing [measured on Sundays].
[No other route changes.]

Route 41 Henderson Express
- new route leg
- from downtown diverges from Gateway branch at Sutton Ave where it heads eastbound and turns onto Donwood Drive continuing eastbound until Rothesay St
- turns left onto Rothesay St heading northbound until Headmaster Row
- turns right onto Headmaster Row heading eastbound until Raleigh St
- turns right onto Raleigh St heading southbound until the McIvor Loop
- McIvor Loop offers interchange with 11 Portage (to downton via "Donwood" or Gilmore) and 85 North Kildonan (Kildonan Place via All Seasons).
- offers six AM trips to downton and five PM trips to McIvor Loop.
- typical runtime is 35-37 minutes end-to-end

[I will describe the 85 North Kildonan in my next post.]