The Megaregions driving the global economy - Page 3

GreaterMontréal · #41 Posted **Jan 8, 2020, 7:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by The North One

Detroit to Toronto is a 4 hour drive. About the same as Boston to New York.

long way my ass.

A mega-region doesn't have to have perfectly continuous sprawl development in order to be connected.

The Montréal metropolitan area's population already passed that of Detroit. Southern Quebec is growing a lot faster than Michigan. Quebec added 105,000 people last year. 9M by 2025 seems like a certitude.

Citylover94 · #42 Posted **Jan 8, 2020, 7:41 PM**

My version of the midwest/canadian megaregions would be:

Crawford · #43 Posted **Jan 8, 2020, 7:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

There is zero wilderness on the corridor between Toronto and Detroit.

But it's largely empty. There's zero wilderness between NYC and St. Louis, but it isn't some continuous corridor. Ontario gets really built up once you hit London.

Of course you can draw lines on a map, but there's no reason to consider London-Windsor a "corridor" moreso than other directionals. It's just people arbitrarily connecting big cities linearally, and calling it a unified corridor. You could have just turned north to Barrie, or south to Niagara Falls, but that would ruin the straight line. And the only reason the corridor doesn't hit Sarnia (where thru traffic is actually headed) is because then you need two lines.

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It's all suburbs, satellite cities, and farmland. Compared to the NE Corridor, there is more farmland for sure, but it's not disconnected. The same is true going the other way around Lake Erie from Detroit towards Cleveland. There probably isn't a square inch of land that isn't accounted for around Lake Erie from Toronto to Detroit to Cleveland.

I agree. The southern Great Lakes are almost totally built up, and Detroit-Cleveland is much more continuous than Detroit-Toronto. I just think all these corridors aren't based on anything but arbitrarily connecting lines.

And, yeah, even the NE Corridor is kinda arbitrary. There are three population clusters in the NE Corridor- the giant cluster from Delaware to Springfield MA, and then Boston-Providence and DC-Baltimore. There are two significant rural breaks. If you're driving from only Wilmington to Hartford, yeah, there are no rural patches.

JAYNYC · #44 Posted **Jan 8, 2020, 8:21 PM**

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Even the NE is not continuous. One could argue it's continuous between Delaware and Connecticut, but there are undeniable gaps between Delaware and Baltimore, and between Connecticut and Boston.

This.

Anyone who's actually driven between Boston and D.C. is a witness.

iheartthed · #45 Posted **Jan 8, 2020, 8:30 PM**

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But it's largely empty. There's zero wilderness between NYC and St. Louis, but it isn't some continuous corridor. Ontario gets really built up once you hit London.

The Appalachians produces a big break. There is a lot of wilderness in West Virgiania, central Pennsylvania, and up into upstate New York. Pittsburgh to St. Louis doesn't have much wilderness between, and that roughly corresponds to the "mega-region" on the map.

The North One · #46 Posted **Jan 8, 2020, 8:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

The Montréal metropolitan area's population already passed that of Detroit. Southern Quebec is growing a lot faster than Michigan. Quebec added 105,000 people last year. 9M by 2025 seems like a certitude.

What does this have to do with what I said? lmfao

Southern Ontario is also growing fast. Windsor grows faster than Toronto.

Detroit area has well over 5 and a half million people with Windsor. Montreal passed this? cool...

wwmiv · #47 Posted **Jan 8, 2020, 9:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

The Appalachians produces a big break. There is a lot of wilderness in West Virgiania, central Pennsylvania, and up into upstate New York. Pittsburgh to St. Louis doesn't have much wilderness between, and that roughly corresponds to the "mega-region" on the map.

Why is only forest considered wilderness to most of the posters above? Grassland and other typologies can be wild, too.

GreaterMontréal · #48 Posted **Jan 8, 2020, 9:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by The North One

What does this have to do with what I said? lmfao

Southern Ontario is also growing fast. Windsor grows faster than Toronto.

Detroit area has well over 5 and a half million people with Windsor. Montreal passed this? cool...

Toronto and Ontario have more in common with Montréal and Quebec than with Detroit and Michigan. The biggest trading partner of Ontario is Quebec and vice versa.

Cirrus · #49 Posted **Jan 8, 2020, 10:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Citylover94

My version of the midwest/canadian megaregions would be...

Interesting that we basically break it down the same way. Tweaks around the edges, sure, but the same general thrust.

The North One · #50 Posted **Jan 8, 2020, 10:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

Toronto and Ontario have more in common with Montréal and Quebec than with Detroit and Michigan. The biggest trading partner of Ontario is Quebec and vice versa.

LOL in what world does anglophone Toronto have more in common with Quebec than Windsor and Detroit? How exactly are you slicing this?

Ontario and Michigan are basically twins only difference is Ontario gets tons of immigration because it's in Canada.

hipster duck · #51 Posted **Jan 8, 2020, 11:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by The North One

LOL in what world does anglophone Toronto have more in common with Quebec than Windsor and Detroit? How exactly are you slicing this?

Toronto and Montreal, and the interplay between them and their power elite basically have defined the last 200 years of Canadian history.

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Ontario and Michigan are basically twins only difference is Ontario gets tons of immigration because it's in Canada.

What?

iheartthed · #52 Posted **Jan 9, 2020, 1:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by wwmiv

Why is only forest considered wilderness to most of the posters above? Grassland and other typologies can be wild, too.

We're talking about farmland, not grassland.

jtown,man · #53 Posted **Jan 9, 2020, 5:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by The North One

LOL in what world does anglophone Toronto have more in common with Quebec than Windsor and Detroit? How exactly are you slicing this?

Ontario and Michigan are basically twins only difference is Ontario gets tons of immigration because it's in Canada.

Yes. Because the United States has zero immigration. Michigan doesn't get a lot of immigrants, the United States does.

Pedestrian · #54 Posted **Jan 9, 2020, 7:42 AM**

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Michigan doesn't get a lot of immigrants

"A lot" is a pretty relative term.

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Approximately 100,000 undocumented immigrants currently live in Michigan

https://www.michiganradio.org/post/h...ation-michigan

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About 7 percent of Michigan residents were born outside America

https://www.mlive.com/news/erry-2018...ighest-po.html

Pedestrian · #55 Posted **Jan 9, 2020, 7:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by wwmiv

Why is only forest considered wilderness to most of the posters above? Grassland and other typologies can be wild, too.

And desert. Places like Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument are huge, devoid of population and not forest.

https://www.latimes.com/la-tr-arizon...togallery.html

Crawford · #56 Posted **Jan 9, 2020, 11:52 AM**

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Ontario and Michigan are basically twins only difference is Ontario gets tons of immigration because it's in Canada.

Windsor-Essex, Sarnia and Michigan sure. Ontario and Michigan, no way.

dimondpark · #57 Posted **Jan 9, 2020, 2:07 PM**

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And desert. Places like Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument are huge, devoid of population and not forest.

https://www.latimes.com/la-tr-arizon...togallery.html

That's beautiful.

wwmiv · #58 Posted **Jan 9, 2020, 3:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

We're talking about farmland, not grassland.

A lot of what y’all are talking about isn’t farmland at all, you just THINK it is.

iheartthed · #59 Posted **Jan 9, 2020, 3:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by wwmiv

A lot of what y’all are talking about isn’t farmland at all, you just THINK it is.

I'm not sure what you think we're talking about, but I'm talking about farmland.

Centropolis · #60 Posted **Jan 9, 2020, 3:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

The Appalachians produces a big break. There is a lot of wilderness in West Virgiania, central Pennsylvania, and up into upstate New York. Pittsburgh to St. Louis doesn't have much wilderness between, and that roughly corresponds to the "mega-region" on the map.

yeah i mean, cultural/regional breaks don't depend on yellowstone-level wilderness. the ozarks serve as a sort of border or buffer between regions and while full of large tracts of forest is hardly alaska. the appalachians are a potent cultural (and geographic) buffer between the midwest/interior and east coast, in fact one of the most potent regional borders in the us. perhaps secondary to this in the midwest would be the ozark and northwoods edge, and othewise it just is sort of a long "smear" to the rockies. historically denver culturally was rather midwestern, picked up st. louis radio stations (cardinals), etc.