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Old Posted Jun 12, 2020, 5:16 AM
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One nice very small US city is Bishop California. Isolated and without too many amenities, but one of the most beautiful parts of the country.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2020, 8:10 AM
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^ that’s not a city in anything but name. It’s a village of less than 5,000 people.

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North American car culture?..Are suburbs, exurbs, and outlet shopping centres out in the sticks even a thing in Europe?
To some extent, but not as much. European cities are also much, much older.

Dijon (like the mustard) is a place I’ve liked recently. Metro population of 250k:



And then there are European cities of a million people or so with better urban cores than any American city outside of Manhattan.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2020, 12:57 PM
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Savannah, GA
Charleston, SC
Santa Barbara, CA
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And then there are European cities of a million people or so with better urban cores than any American city outside of Manhattan.
Yeah. Alicante, Spain, has the feel of an American city 3 times its size. And even Barcelona, which is held up as a global poster child of urbanity that even influences NYC, is roughly the same size as Detroit.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2020, 4:46 PM
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i dont think anyone has said my city. ya it sucks but its in the best location. redding is in a real good location too but is just like bend oregon, not too exciting. im fine with not exciting sometimes.
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Anchorage is probably less cold than Chicago (strange, I know). Fairbanks on the other hand...
no, anchorage is still significantly colder than chicago.

4 months of at/below freezing daily highs in anchorage vs. only one month of that in chicago.

and fairbanks is off-the-charts cold.



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I can't comment on how Anchorage and Chicago compare, although both the stats and plain logic indicate that Ancorage should definitely be colder.
My only point is that having grown up in Northern Ontario where it's more of a biting dry cold in the winter, the milder yet damp Ottawa winters can be worse.
If Ancorage has less humidity (and wind) then Chicago in the winter, then that would play in to it..Kind of like humid Northern latitude summers vs dry California summers..Sorry..OT
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no, anchorage is still significantly colder than chicago.

4 months of at/below freezing daily highs in anchorage vs. only one month of that in chicago.

and fairbanks is off-the-charts cold.



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He probably meant Minneapolis. Winter in Minneapolis looks pretty close to winter in Anchorage, but summer in Minny is much warmer.
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I'm just going off my personal experience of visiting Anchorage (and Fairbanks) in December. Anchorage had a fair amount of snow but didn't feel all that cold, but it does seem like it stays cold longer there! The ocean obviously moderates Anchorage a bit compared to inland.
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Chicago is colder than the surface of Titan.
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If Ancorage has less humidity (and wind) then Chicago in the winter, then that would play in to it.
being a coastal city, anchorage actually has a slightly higher average relative humidity than chicago, november to march.

but chicago does appear to be a fair bit windier than anchorage during the winter.
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I'm just going off my personal experience of visiting Anchorage (and Fairbanks) in December.
As the old saying goes, the plural of anecdote is not data.

I'm reminded of a conversation a while ago over at SSC where someone from Minneapolis was claiming that Minneapolis winter's were no colder than Chicago's because one time he visited Chicago in January and "it was like 15 degrees below zero, which is about as cold as it gets in Minneapolis too".
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I missed Savannah. Their town square is picturesque, as seen in Forrest Gump.
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I missed Savannah. Their town square is picturesque, as seen in Forrest Gump.
Which one? They've got 22 of them. Savannah is one of America's truly special places.
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Which one? They've got 22 of them. Savannah is one of America's truly special places.
The one where Forrest Gump tells his stories from on the bench, I forget the name.
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The one where Forrest Gump tells his stories from on the bench, I forget the name.
That was Chippewa Square, and I knew what you meant but it was a sneaky way of plugging Savannah for being the gorgeous place it is. Like I mentioned, Chippewa Square is just one of twenty-two.

Check it out: Squares of Savannah
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Last time I was in Savannah, all my camera gear and lenses fogged up due to tge heat/ humidity outside after having them in air conditioned car. Pics were all a wash.
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The first two to come to mind for me is:
Savannah, GA
Tallahassee, FL
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Off the top of my head

In America

For the North:
Madison looks nice
Boise is intriguing
Spokane (on my bucket list with PacNW)

For the South:

Savannah (classic urban planners dream)
Charleston
Greenville (new urbanist planner)
even Columbia, SC seems livable
Asheville, NC (still have yet to visit)

For Canada:

Saskatoon is impressive for only being around 300k+ (downtown never got decimated like a lot of North American cities, plus Broadway area across the river is nice)
Halifax (a gem for the Maritimes)
Victoria (never been but looks amazing)
Hamilton is larger but much better a city than when I lived there briefly 2000-2001
Kitchener-Waterloo seems like a livable region
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I haven't been in almost 20 years, but I remember liking Tucson as a young teen, too. I haven't heard great things but my memories of the landscape and the small, dessert missions are great.
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