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Old Posted May 28, 2019, 6:24 AM
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I'm just surprised by it, is all. I mean, 18 stories, even at residential floor to ceiling heights, should be push past what a crawler can hoist. Guess not.
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They use huge luffing jib cranes in places like NYC for very tall buildings. Tower cranes aren't 100% required.
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I think in Winnipeg, unless the height of the building (300 Main) absolutely dictates it, contractors will generally choose one or the other based on the availability of space on site.

If they have to pay a bunch of fees to close off streets to park a trawler crane - it might be better suited to use a tower crane. I believe that is why both the sites near UofW are using tower cranes. Mostly based on space constraints.
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I think in Winnipeg, unless the height of the building (300 Main) absolutely dictates it, contractors will generally choose one or the other based on the availability of space on site.

If they have to pay a bunch of fees to close off streets to park a trawler crane - it might be better suited to use a tower crane. I believe that is why both the sites near UofW are using tower cranes. Mostly based on space constraints.
It's a no-brainer to avoid a tower crane if you can... more expensive, more assembly required, you need to build a stronger foundation for it.... hell, it can't move haha...

That said, tower cranes are used on smaller buildings in other cities/countries
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2019, 11:46 PM
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Wow that giant riverfront parking lot (with no river trail along it) is extremely depressing.
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Wow that giant riverfront parking lot (with no river trail along it) is extremely depressing.
yeah what an amazing use of that space eh... the cars needed the river front view more than the people i guess...

How does garbage like this get approved...
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yeah, not sure if a huge portion of funding for a youth services project should be spent on free parking for all the employees
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yeah, not sure if a huge portion of funding for a youth services project should be spent on free parking for all the employees
It's a tragic waste... quality location.
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yeah what an amazing use of that space eh... the cars needed the river front view more than the people i guess...

How does garbage like this get approved...
Could it be the stability of the river bank dictated the placement of the building and the parking lot.
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then let it be a river bank and not a parking lot. trees and plants help slow erosion, not pavement.
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They use huge luffing jib cranes in places like NYC for very tall buildings. Tower cranes aren't 100% required.
Well obviously but luffing cranes aren't street based in New York.
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then let it be a river bank and not a parking lot. trees and plants help slow erosion, not pavement.
What a concept eh! If the land can't be used for development purposes then let nature keep it... That thing is right across from the river trail a couple blocks from the Forks. "Come enjoy our wonderful river, our beautiful mature trees, oh... and this lovely parking lot built up to the riverfront..."
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Yup, no reason why a parkade couldn’t have been built on a much smaller footprint and the rest be “given back” to the riverfront.

If that was the rule, they would have found a way to make it work. Because they weren’t forced to, they didn’t. The city needs a complete housecleaning.

We need a new rule that any project that wants government funding should only be able to get if they maximize developments for “best use” potential. If you claim to be a community-focused service, then serve the community.
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then let it be a river bank and not a parking lot. trees and plants help slow erosion, not pavement.
So, we don't want parking in the front cause it looks bad from the street, but we also don't want it at the back which in this case is the River.
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So, we don't want parking in the front cause it looks bad from the street, but we also don't want it at the back which in this case is the River.
Found the Winnipegger! Existence/location of parking outweighs the buildings street presence or interaction with the river.
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Yup, no reason why a parkade couldn’t have been built on a much smaller footprint and the rest be “given back” to the riverfront.

If that was the rule, they would have found a way to make it work. Because they weren’t forced to, they didn’t. The city needs a complete housecleaning.

We need a new rule that any project that wants government funding should only be able to get if they maximize developments for “best use” potential. If you claim to be a community-focused service, then serve the community.
Are you pretending money doesn't exist?

I get that underground is a much better location, but you're adding 33% cost to a building of that size. That's just irresponsible.
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Found the Winnipegger! Existence/location of parking outweighs the buildings street presence or interaction with the river.
????

How so? He just highlighted the dilemna.

The other Winnipeg thing to do is to say nothing is good enough except the perfect solution, which costs too much money. Winnipeggers love telling these seemingly bottomless faceless moneybags how to overspend.

Going underground costs way too much. Since (I think) this centre was built long before any RT was actually expected to spur on development, this lot should have faced the street.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2019, 8:22 PM
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Are you pretending money doesn't exist?

I get that underground is a much better location, but you're adding 33% cost to a building of that size. That's just irresponsible.

????

How so? He just highlighted the dilemna.

The other Winnipeg thing to do is to say nothing is good enough except the perfect solution, which costs too much money. Winnipeggers love telling these seemingly bottomless faceless moneybags how to overspend.

Going underground costs way too much. Since (I think) this centre was built long before any RT was actually expected to spur on development, this lot should have faced the street.
It was completed like in 2017, well after the vision/construction/completion of the RT line a block away from it. Well after other RT related construction/development was envisioned/under way at other locations down the line.

And if your excuse for an embarrassment on the river like this is "budget" then perhaps a government funded/subsidized youth service corporation shouldn't have built on the river?

Could have sold it to a private company, say someone like 300 Assiniboine directly across the river, who could then build something that includes parking but not a surface lot directly on the riverbank, say someone like 300 Assinboine directly across the river. Thats not a, as you put it, "nothing is good enough except the perfect solution, which costs too much money" type of attitude, its more... Why did tax dollars help damage the beauty of our river while a private company managed to do much better?
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Found the Winnipegger! Existence/location of parking outweighs the buildings street presence or interaction with the river.
Yes, I am a Winnipegger lol. And as Wolf pointed out, I was merely highlighting the irony of the situation. If parking in the front at the street is no good, and parking at the back along the river is no good, and the building can't be built on the riverbank, how do we propose to deal with parking?
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It was completed like in 2017, well after the vision/construction/completion of the RT line a block away from it. Well after other RT related construction/development was envisioned/under way at other locations down the line.

And if your excuse for an embarrassment on the river like this is "budget" then perhaps a government funded/subsidized youth service corporation shouldn't have built on the river?

Could have sold it to a private company, say someone like 300 Assiniboine directly across the river, who could then build something that includes parking but not a surface lot directly on the riverbank, say someone like 300 Assinboine directly across the river. Thats not a, as you put it, "nothing is good enough except the perfect solution, which costs too much money" type of attitude, its more... Why did tax dollars help damage the beauty of our river while a private company managed to do much better?
I completely agree with you. Didn't know it was so new.

I was operating under the assumption that it was going to be on the site no matter what, so what's it gonna be?

That said, in fairness, we're still a decade away, assuming it gains momentum, from that area being desirable. It was poorly planned to begin with.
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