Atlantic Highways Thread

[OliverD]

Originally Posted by josh_cat_eyes

If you do it along the coast, there is a lot more benefit, as people actually live along the coast. The traffic to Ellsworth is actually pretty heavy as well, as Acadia nation park is located nearby and that’s the only way to get there.

There is approximately 87,000 people living Washington & Hancock counties, add in the tourists and the Canadians who would use the highway, and it starts to make alot of sense.

I was speaking to the Bucksport to Brunswick section. I don't see a clear benefit of having an interstate along that section. And like Adam alludes to, it could be bad for tourism.

I drive that stretch of Route 1 all the time. The only area with a true traffic issue is Wiscasset, and that's only during peak tourist season.

[josh_cat_eyes]

Originally Posted by OliverD

I was speaking to the Bucksport to Brunswick section. I don't see a clear benefit of having an interstate along that section. And like Adam alludes to, it could be bad for tourism.

I drive that stretch of Route 1 all the time. The only area with a true traffic issue is Wiscasset, and that's only during peak tourist season.

I see a highway along the coast of Maine being very much like the NS 103. It would connect the communities together while also increasing safety. I’m sure the state of Maine would rather build a highway the citizens are going to use rather than one built through the sparsely inhabited airline corridor.

The Belfast to Brunswick route would be similar. There is 115,000 people that live in these regions and individual communities such as Thomaston are already looking at bypasses around their towns. Extending the Amtrak to Rockland will help a little bit, but at the very least there should be major improvements made to the state highway along this route.

[adamuptownsj]

I'd love to see what MonctonRad posted back in 2012 (#36): https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...=157878&page=2

There does seem to be modern public desire in Maine to extend I-95 to Fort Kent... or at least Presque Isle. https://thecounty.me/2023/03/22/news...-95-expansion/

[Dengler Avenue]

That photo isn’t there anymore…

By the way, any thought for my proposed twinning between Corner Brook and Deer Lake on the Island of Newfoundland?

[bridgeoftea]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Somewhat related: a gigantic and fascinating history of the origins and community of SR-9. Wow. https://www.mainething.com/alexander...NE%20ROAD.html

That's my lunch reading at work for the next week sorted!

[Dengler Avenue]

TCH around Glenwood & Appleton in Newfoundland
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RTC autour de Glenwood et Appleton en Terre Neuve

[Ahogan9]

Nova Scotia 100-Series Highway needs to change exit numbers from sequential to kilometre-based.

Highway 101 not listed.

Highway 102 listed:
Exit 0 ― Joseph Howe Drive – Halifax ― Exit 1
Exit 1D ― Dunbrack Street – Halifax ― Exit 2
Exit 1A ― NS Highway 103 ― Exit 3
Exit 2A ― Lacewood Drive – Halifax ― Exit 5
Exit 2 ― Kearney Lake Road – Halifax ― Exit 9
Exit 2B ― Larry Uteck Boulevard – Bedford South ― Exit 11
(future southbound exit) ― NS Highway 113 ― Exit 13 (future southbound exit)
Exit 3A&B ― NS Tertiary Route 213 ― Exit 14N&S
Exit 4A&B ― NS Highway 101, NS Trunk 1 ― Exit 17E&W
(future northbound exit) ― NS Highway 107 ― Exit 18 (future northbound exit)
Exit 4C ― Duke Street, Glendale Avenue – Bedford, Lower Sackville ― Exit 19
Exit 5 ― NS Trunk 2 – Fall River ― 25
(unnumbered exit, southbound) ― NS Highway 118 ― Exit 26 (southbound)
Exit 5A ― NS Tertiary Route 212 ― Exit 33
Exit 6 ― Bell Boulevard, Sky Boulevard – Halifax Stanfield International Airport ― Exit 36
Exit 7 ― NS Trunk 2 – Enfield ― Exit 41
Exit 8 ― NS Tertiary Route 214 ― Exit 48
Exit 8A ― Lantz Connector ― Exit 50
Exit 9 ― NS Trunk 14, NS Tertiary Route 224 ― Exit 59
Exit 10 ― NS Tertiary Route 215, MacDonald Road – Shubenacadie ― Exit 66
Exit 11 ― Main Street, Stewiacke ― Exit 72
Exit 12 ― NS Tertiary Route 289 ― Exit 85
Exit 13A ― Abenaki Connector, Tower Road, Treaty Connector, Treaty Trail – Millbrook First Nation ― Exit 96
Exit 13 ― McClures Mill Road, Truro Heights Connector Road – Truro Heights ― Exit 99
Exit 14 ― NS Trunk 2, NS Tertiary Route 236 – Truro ― Exit 101
Exit 14A (northbound) ― NS Trunk 2, NS Trunk 4 – Onslow ― Exit 102 (northbound)
Exit 15 (northbound) ― Trans Canada Highway 104 NS ― Exit 103 (northbound)
Planned / Under Construction

Highway 103 not listed.

Highway 104 listed:
Exit 1 ― Fort Lawrence Road – Fort Lawrence ― Exit 1
Exit 3 ― NS Trunk 6, Southampton Road – Amherst ― Exit 5
Exit 4 ― NS Trunk 2 – Amherst ― Exit 9
Exit 5 ― NS Highway 142, Reids Settlement Road – Salt Springs Cumberland County ― Exit 29
Exit 6 ― NS Tertiary Route 321 ― Exit 40
Exit 7 ― NS Trunk 4 – Thompson Station ― Exit 49
Exit 8 ― Wentworth-Collingwood Road – Westchester Valley ― Exit 59
Exit 10 ― Station Road – East Village ― Exit 83
Exit 11 ― NS Trunk 4, Glenholme ― Exit 89
Exit 12 ― NS Trunk 2, NS Trunk 4 – Masstown ― Exit 92
Exit 13 ― MacElmon Road – Debert ― Exit 97
Exit 15 ― NS Highway 102 ― Exit 106
Exit 17 ― Brookside Road, NS Trunk 4 – Valley ― Exit 116
Exit 18 ― Stevens Cross Road – Manganese Mines ― Exit 125
Exit 18A ― Pictou Road Extension – Mount Thom ― Exit 132
Exit 19 ― Salt Springs Connector – Salt Springs Pictou County ― Exit 146
Exit 20 ― Pleasant Valley Road – Alma ― Exit 151
Exit 21 ― NS Trunk 4 – Westville ― Exit 158
Exit 22 ― Trans Canada Highway 106 NS ― Exit 160
Exit 23 ― NS Trunk 4, NS Tertiary Route 289 – New Glasgow ― Exit 163
Exit 24 ― NS Tertiary Route 374 ― Exit 165
Exit 25 ― NS Tertiary Route 348 ― Exit 166
Exit 26 ― NS Tertiary Route 347 ― Exit 169
Exit 27 ― NS Trunk 4 – Sutherlands River ― Exit 176
Exit 29 ― NS Trunk 4 – Barneys River ― Exit 195
Exit 30 ― Beaver Meadow Road – James River ― Exit 209
Exit 31 ― NS Trunk 4, Addington Forks Road – West River ― Exit 219
Exit 32 ― NS Trunk 7 ― Exit 221
Exit 33 ― Beech Hill Road – Antigonish ― Exit 224
Exit 35 ― Southside Harbour Road – Lower South River ― Exit 228
Exit 36 (future) ― ? ― Exit 236 (future)
Exit 35A ― Pomquet River Road, Pomquet Monks Head Road – Pomquet ― Exit 236
Exit 36 ― Summerside Road – Heatherton ― Exit 238
Exit 36A ― NS Trunk 4 – Heatherton ― Exit 240
Exit 36B ― Paq'tnkek Connector – Afton Station ― Exit 243
Exit 37 ― NS Trunk 4 – Monastery ― Exit 251
Exit 38 (eastbound) ― Frankville Road – Haver Boucher ― Exit 260 (eastbound)
Exit 38 (westbound) ― Pellerine Road – Haver Boucher ― Exit 261 (westbound)
Exit 39 ― NS Trunk 4, D31 Road – Aulds Cove ― Exit 269
Exit 40 ― NS Tertiary Route 344 ― Exit 271
Exit 41 ― NS Trunk 4, Trans Canada Highway 105 NS, NS Trunk 19 ― Exit 273
Exit 43 ― NS Trunk 4 – Melville Richmond County ― Exit 281
Exit 44 ― Port Malcolm Road, Lower River Road – Lower River Inhabitants ― Exit 291
Exit 45 ― Evanston Road – Evanston ― Exit 293
Exit 46 ― NS Tertiary Route 320 ― Exit 304
Exit 47 ― Sporting Mountain Road – River Bourgeois ― Exit 314
Exit 48 ― NS Trunk 4 – River Tillard ― Exit 318
At-Grade Intersection Planned / Under Construction

Highway 105 not listed.

Highway 106 listed:
Exit 1A ― Mount William Road – Mount William ― Exit 1
Exit 2 ― Granton-Abercrombie Road – Granton ― Exit 7
Exit 3 ― West River Road, NS Trunk 6, NS Tertiary Route 376 – Pictou ― Exit 12
At-Grade Intersection

Highway 107 not listed.

Highway 111 not listed.

Highway 118 listed:
Exit 11N&S ― NS Highway 111 ― Exit 1N&S
Exit 12A (southbound) ― Commodore Drive – Dartmouth Crossing ― Exit 2 (southbound exit)
Exit 12 ― Wright Avenue – Dartmouth Crossing ― Exit 3
Exit 13E&W ― NS Highway 107 ― Exit 7E&W
Exit 14 ― Perrin Drive – Fall River ― Exit 15
(unnumbered, northbound) ― NS Highway 102 ― Exit 16 (northbound exit)

Highway 125 not listed.

[Dengler Avenue]

I agree.
After that, Newfoundland is next. There’s no shame in showing exit numbers in the 700+.

[adamuptownsj]

Fredericton councillor (big 3rd bridge advocate apparently) now sees a roundabout on the north side of the Princess Margaret Bridge as an economical option:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...idge-1.7065115

Hard to disagree. A roundabout or a proper cloverleaf interchange between Route 8 and Riverside would do the job. Little to no expropriation needed for either, and you'd only need to build one overpass if you went for the interchange.

[q12]

Highway 103 is now twinned the entire length within HRM. A new section opened in November from Ingramport to Hubbards, Nova Scotia (Halifax Regional Muncipality border with Lunenburg County).


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_upMZjW...jpg&name=large

[MonctonRad]

I drove from Moncton to Antigonish over the holidays, and it is now divided 100% of the way (about 280 km). A fantastic drive. Unfortunately, I couldn't get a good view of the new section around Marshy Hope as it was heavily overcast and foggy.

[josh_cat_eyes]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I drove from Moncton to Antigonish over the holidays, and it is now divided 100% of the way (about 280 km). A fantastic drive. Unfortunately, I couldn't get a good view of the new section around Marshy Hope as it was heavily overcast and foggy.

They will be extending the highway east of Antigonish this year to the exit for Paqtnkek. I don’t think it it should be a stretch to think they shouldn’t be able to twin the highway to Auld cove by 2030. I would also think that a St. Peter’s bypass would and probably should take precedence over the mainland section.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by josh_cat_eyes

They will be extending the highway east of Antigonish this year to the exit for Paqtnkek. I don’t think it it should be a stretch to think they shouldn’t be able to twin the highway to Auld cove by 2030. I would also think that a St. Peter’s bypass would and probably should take precedence over the mainland section.

Doesn't the elevation get a little complicated past East Havre Boucher?

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Doesn't the elevation get a little complicated past East Havre Boucher?

That may be a good place to end the divided 4 lanes on the mainland then. After that, someone will need to be ambitious enough to envision a divided 4-lane bridge over Canso Straight, which then rejoins the island portion of 104. At that point, yes, tolls will be needed to recover the cost.

The major challenge will be the clearance for commercial ship, the length, and the geology on the hilly part near Port Hastings.

Edit: Have fun with this map of mine from 3 years ago: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/ed...Cz&usp=sharing

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

That may be a good place to end the divided 4 lanes on the mainland then. After that, someone will need to be ambitious enough to envision a divided 4-lane bridge over Canso Straight, which then rejoins the island portion of 104. At that point, yes, tolls will be needed to recover the cost.

The major challenge will be the clearance for commercial ship, the length, and the geology on the hilly part near Port Hastings.

I'm no engineer or planner but I assume they'll need a 4-laner to the Melford Container Terminal, if it ever gets going. You'd have to stay inland from Havre Boucher and head southeast to avoid the super steep coast. Agreed, no point going past Frankville Rd or Pellerine Rd for now.

Edit. Sweet map, thanks. Basically what I thought until it gets ambitious past Havre Boucher.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

I'm no engineer or planner but I assume they'll need a 4-laner to the Melford Container Terminal, if it ever gets going. You'd have to stay inland from Havre Boucher and head southeast to avoid the super steep coast. Agreed, no point going past Frankville Rd or Pellerine Rd for now.

Edit. Sweet map, thanks. Basically what I thought until it gets ambitious past Havre Boucher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melfor...ional_Terminal
Darn it. Why does the proposed container terminal have to be on the west side of Canso Straight, and not at Point Tupper? That complicates things.
Also, I will have to check the turning radius on that hill. Anything less than 700 m turning radius on a steep downhill is no good (for a freeway).

[Dengler Avenue]

By the way, it's not a priority right now, but eventually we will have to think how to link Highways 101 & 103 in this corner. The new industrial park is to accommodate shops that will be expropriated.
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En passant, ce n'est pas une priorité maintenant, mais éventuellement, on devra penser à lier les autoroutes 101 et 103 dans ce coin là. La nouvelle zone industrielle, c'est pour accommoder les shops qui devront être acquis.

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by josh_cat_eyes

They will be extending the highway east of Antigonish this year to the exit for Paqtnkek. I don’t think it it should be a stretch to think they shouldn’t be able to twin the highway to Auld cove by 2030. I would also think that a St. Peter’s bypass would and probably should take precedence over the mainland section.

Where exactly would you bypass St Peter's. Very little non Ocean options.

[Dengler Avenue]

I may have saved the map somewhere. I am trying to find it right now. Someone posted it before.
Ps: I found it! https://nsgeu.ca/filemanager/pdf/Foi...0ResultFIN.pdf (slides 15 & 16)

[adamuptownsj]

Does anyone have a 'sensible wishlist' of highway twinning in the Maritimes they'd like to see? Not grand engineering marvels, just reasonable stuff.

I'd like Route 7 as far north as Route 102 twinned, and the Route 1/Route 7 interchange modernized. I'd even settle for twinning as far north as Colonel Nase, but going as far as Route 177 would be ideal.

Route 15 should capture more of the Beaubassin area, and could be extended 5km from Route 140 to Route 933 in Beaubassin-Est without even building a new exit, let alone bridge. Probably no need to go any further for now.

Route 11, just a bridge over the Cocagne River. Anything north of that would be a little excessive.

Route 8, give the Princess Margaret Bridge/Barkers Point Bypass a proper set of ramps, a new alignment, and twin everything from Route 105 to Bridge St in Marysville. Not sure how you'd handle the Greenwood intersection. Overpass and a set of new roads and ramps to the north? Halfway between Greenwood and the substation is ~3km south of Bridge St and ~2km from Route 105. That seems appropriately spaced.

None of these are crazy proposals. They would better connect several different exurban and rural areas, most of which are seeing growth, to our cities. Nova Scotia plinks away at a couple twinning projects annually but we don't do much here.