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Old Posted May 15, 2024, 9:06 PM
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The current setup doesn't work for Ontario anymore. The GTA dominates Ontario politics to the point where everywhere else is an afterthought. And the GTA itself would work better as a city-state. Partition is win-win.
Politically it may make sense. From economic and tax revenue perspectives, I don't think it would, at least not for the non-GTA regions.

People love to complain that Toronto "gets everything" but its economy -- and the provincial tax revenues generated within the city and GTA -- benefit the rest of Ontario to a high degree. The economic connections would probably remain over time, but funding for services and infrastructure in a "rest of Ontario" scenario would likely suffer, especially if split amongst sub-regional lines (e.g., the Southwest may be ok on its own but with struggles, Eastern Ontario would have big challenges, and the North would definitely be a 'have not' overall).

And I think determining the borders of a Toronto city-state would be fraught with concerns from the suburban areas (particularly to the north and east) that the original City of Toronto and maybe Peel Region would be too dominant, but there would be arguments that they're still better off if included. It would be a very messy thing to do.

EDIT: Look at Peel for instance, re: the debate about dissolving the regional government. When the plan was to do so, there were vastly different perspectives about that with Mississauga arguing that they've funded growth in Brampton and Caledon, and debate about how assets would be split, which municipality would owe the others, etc.. I think that would be hugely amplified if a division of Ontario was under consideration.
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Old Posted May 15, 2024, 9:48 PM
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never mind things like services. Most government administration, specialized healthcare services, etc. operate out of Toronto and service the entire province. How does that work if "THIP" is different than "OHIP"?
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Old Posted May 15, 2024, 11:35 PM
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Actually splitting up Ontario may only make sense from a few (maybe) national political perspectives.

Provincially, I doubt any party would want to divide itself, and urban/rural splits that often occur among them would complicate matters for all. Losing the clout of being the most populous province would be a big deal. Adding to the bureaucracy within the current provincial borders would be costly and duplicative.

As Innsertnamehere rightly points out, there are things that operate a certain way now that would face uncertain workings under a divided Ontario. There could be agreements to continue some services post-descrambling of the egg, but in the long term that may not be sustainable.
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Old Posted May 21, 2024, 12:18 PM
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Is this the day that StatsCan releases the metropolitan (CMA) population statistics???
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Inflation in April down to 2.7% year-over-year, down from 2.9% in March.
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Work-Life Balance in Canada:



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Rank City Overall Score Health & Wellbeing Score Work Intensity Score Liveability Score

1 Lévis, QC 69.61 24.73 17.61 27.27
2 Québec City, QC 67.12 23.91 16.97 26.24
3 District of North Vancouver, BC 65.88 25.33 12.79 27.76
4 Burlington, ON 65.52 24.52 13.24 27.76
5 Blainville, QC 64.73 23.82 15.48 25.42
6 Aurora, ON 64.18 25.79 11.45 26.94
7 Trois-Rivières, QC 63.85 21.82 13.91 28.12
8 Laval, QC 63.76 23.12 14.85 25.79
9 Granby, QC 62.94 20.82 14.52 27.61
10 Newmarket, ON 62.82 25.61 12.09 25.12
11 Caledon, ON 62.79 25.52 11.73 25.55
12 Brossard, QC 62.76 23.94 14.73 24.09
13 Mirabel, QC 62.61 23.76 14.24 24.61
14 Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, QC 62.39 23.85 14.73 23.82
15 Repentigny, QC 62.36 23.58 13.82 24.97
16 Saguenay, QC 62.27 19.39 14.97 27.91
17 Terrebonne, QC 61.39 23.30 13.48 24.61
18 Oakville, ON 61.30 24.33 12.36 24.61
19 Halton Hills, ON 61.24 25.48 13.21 22.55
20 Port Coquitlam, BC 60.91 25.58 11.67 23.67
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Quebec making out like a bandit on this metric.

I guess the other provinces are too tied up in the protestant work ethic.
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Was just in Québec City in the weekend and frankly the amount of street life, pedestrians, cyclists, and people going out and about is incredible. It blows out cities double the size like Calgary, Edmonton, and Ottawa out of the water, and the scale feels more appropriate for a big 3 city. People just seem happier and more relaxed.

Pound for pound it has the best urbanism out of any city in North America with maybe the exception of NYC and Montréal. I can see why it ranks so highly in terms of livability. Lévis on the other hand makes no sense to me lol.
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Old Posted May 22, 2024, 12:34 PM
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https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1710014801

Toronto: + 221k
Montreal: + 130k
Vancouver: + 119k
Calgary: + 96k

And Ottawa has surpassed Edmonton to once again become Canada's 5th largest metro area.
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Observations:
Toronto at 6,804,847 and Vancouver at 2,971,853 have likely crossed the 7 and 3 million barriers by now, to be seen on the July 1, 2024 update.
Charlottetown is nearing CMA status rapidly at 90.7k with 4k growth.
The rapid growth in Whitehorse continues with now 89% of the Yukon population in Whitehorse

Yukon's population:
36,315 in Whitehorse
8,660 outside of Whitehourse

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St. John's at 232K?!?! Massive revision and leap there as it was previously 219K for 2022
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Kitchener at 665k, London at 608k, and Windsor at 467k already is just crazy. Other notable big jumps are Winnipeg to 910k, Quebec City to 880k, Halifax to 518k, and Saskatoon to 352k.
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Old Posted May 22, 2024, 1:16 PM
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ATLANTIC CANADA CMA POPULATIONS FOR JULY 1st 2023

Halifax (NS) - 518,711
St. John's (NL) - 232,039
Moncton (NB) - 178,791
Saint John (NB) - 138, 985
Fredericton (NB) - 119,059

The Moncton population is almost 10,000 greater than in 2022, meaning that our current population is probably about 188,000.

Moncton is probably within 15-18 months of breaking the 200,000 barrier.

And, to round out the Atlantic "big seven", here are the 2023 population figures for the two largest CAs:

CBRM (Sydney) NS - 109,962
Charlottetown PE - 90,648
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Charlottetown will most likely hit offical CMA status in the 2031 census. Unless there is some more solid growth by May 2026 when the census is taken. Not impossible. But if we extrapolate the current data and growth rate, the city proper population will only be 49,000 and the CA will be about 97,000. Just kissing the threshold for the 2026 census haha
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Vancouver at 2,971,853 (3 million by now), and the Fraser Valley Region at 3.3 million.

Kelowna will hit 250,00 this year.
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Quebec CMAs (2019 2020 2021 2022 2023)
Saguenay (CMA), Quebec (map) 161,894 162,285 162,376 164,304 167,399
Québec (CMA), Quebec (map) 832,966 840,396 844,774 858,600 880,875
Sherbrooke (CMA), Quebec (map) 222,318 225,902 229,294 233,470 238,808
Trois-Rivières (CMA), Quebec (map) 159,395 161,361 162,531 165,866 169,204
Drummondville (CMA), Quebec (map) 100,012 100,909 102,356 103,887 106,347
Montréal (CMA), Quebec (map) 4,327,976 4,356,853 4,330,143 4,372,913 4,502,177
Ottawa - Gatineau (CMA), Quebec part, Quebec (map) 348,380 352,896 355,971 358,810 364,808

massive 1 year jump for Montreal CMA
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Calgary growing by 100,000 in 1 year

Also - Cape Breton adding nearly 7,000 in one year is nuts. that area was terminally losing population and felt like it would never recover until very recently. How the Maritime's fortunes have reversed..
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GTA Monster:

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
Oshawa (CMA), Ontario (map) 414,074 424,237 433,529 447,738 464,356
Toronto (CMA), Ontario (map) 6,426,293 6,491,939 6,472,951 6,583,259 6,804,847
Hamilton (CMA), Ontario (map) 799,626 811,706 817,777 827,679 841,186

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