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Originally Posted by RC14
I have been assuming 370 millennium was dead given there is a large "For Sale" sign on the property but with this project, who knows.
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Not a surprise. That site is cursed.
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Originally Posted by ThePusherMan
I work just a block away from the held site. I can confirm that although it used to have signs for leasing the signs now and have been for a while for sale. I'm 99% confident that that project is dead in the water.
Being a bar owner downtown I can confirm that there is little to no happy hour culture in Salt Lake City. Part of that is because about ten years ago they made happy hours illegal. Some bars do well around 5pm but almost all of those bars are food focused. I think that a big factor in why this is the case is that although a lot of the younger work force is non-mormon and want to go out and blow off steam after work, the management and boss tier positions are widely older and LDS. Building workplace culture usually comes from the top down so if the boss isn't taking you out for drinks after work it just isn't part of the culture.
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I know it's not a fair comparison at all - but I relocated to Chicago for work and it's insane how dramatically different the culture is there. Just so much going on at all times. I never really understood the happy hour culture because of living my whole life in Salt Lake, but the tower I worked at connected over into an area where there were bars that we hit up every day during happy hour (when things were open). It was such a surreal experience.
The thing is, it wasn't just in the heart of Chicago, either. I lived in Deerfield, which is suburban Chicago, and you had happy hour events at a lot of the local places there, too.
Maybe I am being too hard on Salt Lake. Maybe it's not the leaders. Maybe it's just the demographics. Salt Lake absolutely, positively does not feel like a big city. Or even a medium sized city. It feels like a suburb. There's just not the dynamic, or culture, that comes with city life.
Even Phoenix felt way more cosmopolitan than Salt Lake when I spent a few days down there last year for work. On a work day, we went out to Westgate there. Truth be told, there is absolutely nothing comparable to that in Salt Lake City - or any of its suburbs - and I know the Phoenix metro has multiple sites like it. On a week day night, it wasn't the busiest place but there was still a fairly decent crowd. I don't think you would ever find a crowd like that downtown on a weekday night.
But again, that could be the culture.
My question, though, is what is Salt Lake doing to change it?
Why is happy hour not legal in Salt Lake?
Silly shit like that is so frustrating.
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Originally Posted by ThePusherMan
In other news: The AT&T store is officially no more. I'm happy to see projects expanding west and south. Makes more of the the D2 area feel like it is part of downtown. When we were looking at placing my bar one of the places we looked was State and 6th next to the AAA Jewelers (it's still vacant). At the time it felt very far from the downtown core but a couple massive apartment complexes later and it feels very much so apart of the city. I hear both sides of the vibrancy/street engagement vs density argument. Are there no non commercial/retail to making these apartment buildings more engaging? Art? I just feel like there's got to be something in between these two extremes. Also, more height please and thank you.
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That I like to hear. That whole area of downtown feels so isolated from the rest of the core. It'll be nice to see some development there.