SAN ANTONIO | Suburban and Metro Development Thread

[sirkingwilliam]

Originally Posted by miaht82

Yeah I guess so. But I just wish there were simultaneous projects inside 410 on the Southside.
You can't just run to the boonies just because the older parts of town are falling apart.
But yes, at least it is growth for the southside.

Well there is and there isn't but what parts of the southside inside 410 are you speaking about? If you're talking about the area bordered by 90/north, 35/west, 37/east and 410/south, that's the "south side", you'd find that's not a lot of undeveloped land there, certainly not 550 acres.

But even then there's stuff being built within the south side inside 410.

[sirkingwilliam]

Originally Posted by jaga185

I hate it, this looks like it could fit on the North Side, what happened to smart development down here?

This development is either outside the "city south" zoning area or was grandfathered in, I can't remember.

[miaht82]

Originally Posted by sirkingwilliam

Well there is and there isn't but what parts of the southside inside 410 are you speaking about? If you're talking about the area bordered by 90/north, 35/west, 37/east and 410/south, that's the "south side", you'd find that's not a lot of undeveloped land there, certainly not 550 acres.

But even then there's stuff being built within the south side inside 410.

Well the project on Roosevelt/410 is one, the Lowes shell is up on Goliad, the old Kmart on Military got a facelift; theres the Pleasanton Farms housing development, and the Ashley Road housing development, and I guess I just proved YOUR point for you and myself wrong, but I mean, what about Burbank possibly closing? and the decayed and fossilized small retail strips along S Flores and Roosevelt. You'd think that without the HDRC standing in the way of anything in the inner-southside neighborhoods (those between Military and 90 to the north) that something is bound pop up in those areas.
I guess once are the corners of the map are full (of sprawl)_then the race for the middle will begin.

[Raining Inside]

The Census Bureau has released the 2008 county population estimates. San Antonio saw an almost 41k increase in the metro population. The population estimate is now 2,031,445. The two million mark is now officially in the rear view mirror.

[miaht82]

from mysa.com
By Jeorge Zarazua - Express-News

Population growth for the San Antonio metro area slowed down in the year ending July 2008, another sign of the weakening economy, according to Texas State Demographer Karl Eschbach.

“I would say that some of the national softness has started to catch up to San Antonio,” Eschbach said. “San Antonio, unlike Houston for example, didn't have the buffer of the strong representation of energy (industry). In fact, last year was a banner year for the Houston area.”

The population for San Antonio's metro area grew about 46,500 last year to more than 2 million people, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates to be released today.

The increase is about 6,000 less than in previous years.

In 2006 and 2007, the city was experiencing population gains of nearly 53,000 annually, according to the census figures.

Eschbach said while the growth spurt for San Antonio has subsided for now, the metro area remains vibrant and continues to enjoy significant population gains compared to others.

“They are not major drop-offs,” he said. “We're still a strong net in-migration area, so it's not like San Antonio fell to the floor or anything like that.”

Eschbach said nearly half of the metro area's new residents — nearly 23,000 — were people who moved here from other parts of the United States.

The Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown metro area was the only major metropolitan area in Texas that didn't experience a decrease in the rate of population growth compared to the previous year, according to the census statistics.

The Houston metro area's population increased 130,185 to more than 5.7 million residents from July 2007 to July 2008, the figures show. In the year ending July 2007, the Houston metro area grew 112,413, according to the census.

Eschbach also noted that even though the Austin-Round Rock metro area didn't do as well as last year, the 60,012 new residents it gained last year was enough to make it one of the fastest-growing metropolitans in the country between 2007 and 2008.

The Austin metro area experienced a 3.8 percent population increase, to 1.7 million, according to the census. Austin's metro figures are boosted by huge population gains in Williamson and Hays counties.

Slow? At least 2009-2011 will be helped some by BRAC.
But 2.6 moving here per hour is not a bad rate.
My hometown (Karnes City) hasn't had 2 people move there in over 20 years.

[oldmanshirt]

Yeah, that "slow" part cracked me up too, I though "surely this is a reprinted article from 1992??"

They should come up here to St. Louis (under 1% growth 07-08) or even Kansas City (1% 07-08) and ask if they think SA's growth is "slow".

[sirkingwilliam]

Before the consecutive 53,000 years, the population growth was in the low 30's.

46,000 isn't any kind of slow down. lol

But that's the express news for you.

[ydoc14]

I think the fact that they claim it slowed down because of the recession is kind of ridiculous. I mean, the cost of living here is cheaper, so wouldn't that be an advantage in a recession??

**Economics isn't my strong-suit, so correct me if I'm wrong haha.

[oldmanshirt]

Not to mention these estimates are from July 07 to July 08, before most people were even thinking recession.

[kornbread]

Originally Posted by oldmanshirt

Not to mention these estimates are from July 07 to July 08, before most people were even thinking recession.

Recession was definately in the air in the summer of '08. Did Toyota not halt production for 3 months last summer?

[ryan5021]

There is a new crane up in the Med Center that I saw from I-10. Does anyone know what this is for?

[oldmanshirt]

Originally Posted by kornbread

Recession was definately in the air in the summer of '08. Did Toyota not halt production for 3 months last summer?

Yes, but these estimates are for July 07-July 08. Gas prices shot up in the summer of 08 (causing the market for the Tundra to dry up) and then the financial mess hit in Sept. People weren't talking recession for the majority of the period July 07-July 08.

Next year's estimates (for 09) will undoubtedly reveal the effects of the housing and financial collapses on population changes.

[sirkingwilliam]

Originally Posted by kornbread

Recession was definately in the air in the summer of '08. Did Toyota not halt production for 3 months last summer?

Recession was not in the air for SA or Texas. Not then.

[Paul in S.A TX]

Population estimates for the 25 metropolitan areas with the largest increase from July 1, 2007 to July 1, 2008:
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/11...on_top_25.html

Metro 2008 Pop. Change

Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington 6,300,006 146,532

Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown 5,728,143 130,185

Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale 4,281,899 115,978

Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta 5,376,285 114,989

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana 12,872,808 88,196

New York-Northern New Jersey 19,006,798 84,227

Chicago-Naperville-Joliet 9,569,624 72,771

Austin-Round Rock, Texas 1,652,602 60,012

San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont 4,274,531 58,406

Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, Va. 5,358,130 55,835

Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, N.C./S.C. 1,701,799 55,368

Denver-Aurora 2,506,626 53,233

Riverside-San Bernardino, Calif. 4,115,871 49,298

Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue 3,344,813 46,588

San Antonio, TX 2,031,445 46,524

Raleigh-Cary, N.C. 1,088,765 44,804

San Diego-Carlsbad 3,001,072 41,338

Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton 2,207,462 40,971

Las Vegas-Paradise 1,865,746 38,091

San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, Calif. 1,819,198 32,843

Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, Minn. 3,229,878 32,258

Nashville-Davidson-Franklin, Tenn. 1,550,733 30,573

Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, Mass. 4,522,858 30,520

Sacramento--Arden-Arcade, Calif. 2,109,832 27,646

Orlando-Kissimmee, Fla. 2,054,574 25,905

[KevinFromTexas]

Crazy. Over 15 million in Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio and Austin. That's not even including El Paso, the Valley and all the other sizable cities in the state.

[TXlifeguard]

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

Crazy. Over 15 million in Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio and Austin. That's not even including El Paso, the Valley and all the other sizable cities in the state.

I've mentioned it on here before, the population analysis that 75% of the state's population lives within a half-hour's drive of I-35 or I-45. If you were to add in the RGV, Laredo, and El Paso, I think that's just shy of 85% of the state's population. Kinda makes you realize just how empty the rest of the state is. Having been born and raised outside of Amarillo, I could have told ya the same without even looking at the data. lol.

[hookem]

Most amazing to me is that Austin is only 1.6 million, yet it is still in the top ten in total # coming in along with the big boys. No other metro in the top 10 is less than 4M! That gives you a good idea of the percentage increase.

[KevinFromTexas]

Originally Posted by TXlifeguard

I've mentioned it on here before, the population analysis that 75% of the state's population lives within a half-hour's drive of I-35 or I-45. If you were to add in the RGV, Laredo, and El Paso, I think that's just shy of 85% of the state's population. Kinda makes you realize just how empty the rest of the state is. Having been born and raised outside of Amarillo, I could have told ya the same without even looking at the data. lol.

Well I knew it too, it's just kind of re-enforcing the reality of it. And it's no surprise about I-35. It's easily the most developed interstate in the state. Sure there are gaps, but consider the number of big cities along its route.

It's funny about the empty thing about the more rural parts of the state. My uncle from Colorado would always brag about Colorado being REALLY wild and untouched outside of the developed areas and being mostly public lands. Well duh! lol, he's such a Colorado booster. Still, for a state like Texas that is fairly urban with a good number of big cities, and has two metros that are bigger than Colorado's entire population, it's pretty impressive just how wide open and untouched a lot of land is in Texas. Granted we're huge, but still.

[miaht82]

18707 Hardy Oak

What the offices will look like.(taken from 18707 website)

Bad shot, but here you can see the Tesoro HQ's in the lower left, Methodist SO in the center, and 18707 Hardy Oak on the right.

12-story, 196-room Drury Stone Oak.

[sakyle04]

What if the city just forbade more surface parking for office developments?

All parking must be in a garage.

What would that do?

- Create greater density
- Open up more high-value land for vertical development
- Push up the cost of developing new office centers in the exurbs and return focus to grandfathered-in urban office locations for renovation/redevelopment

I mean...I am obviously missing something right? What am I missing?