Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg

[North_Regina_Boy]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

When your first comment is bashing your rival province, you should expect some reaction! haha And we've had a great deal of turmoil and animosity on the Winnipeg threads over the last number of months to year. No shortage on that end.

That's fair. It is what makes the End of Summer Rider / Bomber Games fun. The jabbing and such. Always have a good time with the Bomber fans that come to Mosaic. Might be making a trip to Winnipeg for the Banjo Bowl as you will have quite a few more seats to fill.

[Bdog]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

When your first comment is bashing your rival province, you should expect some reaction! haha

Haha, no kidding. When one specifically comes to a Winnipeg forum from elsewhere to call what we have "crap", what did he expect? lol

He lost me after "Thankfully I live in Saskatchewan" though...

[rypinion]

Originally Posted by North_Regina_Boy

Might be making a trip to Winnipeg for the Banjo Bowl as you will have quite a few more seats to fill.

That might be awfully tricky. You'd have to navigate countless traffic signals.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by Bdog

Haha, no kidding. When one specifically comes to a Winnipeg forum from elsewhere to call what we have "crap", what did he expect? lol

The only problem I have with what he had to say is that he is right.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

And we expect shovels to hit the ground very shortly? June ish?

They are wrapping up the reviews of the 3 finalists and should have an award next month. Construction should start immediately.....meaning June.

[esquire]

No matter how many interchanges Regina builds, it will never change the fact that they are still Regina.

[North_Regina_Boy]

Originally Posted by esquire

No matter how many interchanges Regina builds, it will never change the fact that they are still Regina.

That is true, however, as you say. Proud to be where I am from

[esquire]

Originally Posted by North_Regina_Boy

That is true, however, as you say. Proud to be where I am from

[Reignman]

Originally Posted by Biff

The south perimeter upgrades have been pushed back until shovels hit the ground with 59N and 101N interchange.

Any word on the scope of the south perimeter upgrade plan? Newly constructed lanes both directions? Interchanges at Kenaston, St. Marys and St. Annes? If so full on cloverleafs? And PR330 I assume would get a diamond?

Hopefully also finish the 59S/100 interchange...

[Biff]

Originally Posted by Reignman

Any word on the scope of the south perimeter upgrade plan? Newly constructed lanes both directions? Interchanges at Kenaston, St. Marys and St. Annes? If so full on cloverleafs? And PR330 I assume would get a diamond?

From what I know - between Portage Ave south around to Hwy 1 East:

Rebuilt lanes, wider median, road base constructed to handle 3 lanes each way, reconstructed Roblin Blvd interchange (2016), reconstructed Wilkes Ave interchange, diamond grade separation at Hwy 3, grade separation at Hwy 330/Brady, grade separation at Kenaston Blvd (likely wont happen until St Norbert bypass announced), reconstruction of the jersey barrier between Waverley and St Mary's (2015/2016), grade seperation at St Mary's Rd, grade separation at St Anne's Rd/rail crossing and removal/closure of all at grade intersections (dirt roads).

[Reignman]

^ reconfigurement of the Roblin and Wilkes structures? Or just overpass deck rehab?

That's a huge project...easily over a $billion total. I imagine the feds would be contributing to it as that entire stretch is the Trans Canada?

[bomberjet]

2015/2016?! Is that planned deck/structure rehabs?

Or is that when they will start planning? I know you're getting info from elsewhere Biff, but you're getting people excited lol

[esquire]

That sort of improvement to the South Perimeter is long overdue. The way it was built was fine for the first 40 years or so, but with city traffic using it more and more these days there is a need to bring it into the 21st century.

(Personally I'd rather see the province kick in more money to improving the Perimeter where it's badly needed vs. funding the inner ring road... get the one ring road right before you start building the next)

[CoryB]

Hopefully the Wilkes interchange rehab includes major improvements to both ramps on the south side. The entrance ramp to the northbound stream is extremely hazardous as drivers exit a hairpin turn and drop almost immediately into a 100 km/h lane. Moving the hairpin about a quarter km or more south and having an extended acceleration lane would be a huge safety improvement. On the southbound stream there is a similar issue with the exit lane on the down ramp of the bridge leading to vehicles significantly slowing where it is not easy for traffic behind them to see. Having a longer, straight deceleration lane for traffic exiting south bound to Wilkes would also hugely improve safety.

In terms of the St Norbert by-pass, that is likely towards the tail end of this work due to considerations around the alignment for a yet to be announced road. It is possible though the tail end near the Perimeter will be secured with the full run as a future consideration. This would result in a structure similar to what we see over at CentrePort.

One other important point to keep in mind is part of the Perimeter improvements is a plan for the road to be fully light over its entire length. With CentrePort done it is now mostly light from Inkster past Roblin. Look for more of this as the roadwork progresses.

In terms of the north side in addition to 59/100 the tracks west of McPhillips would need an overpass, Pipeline would need a diamond and HWY 6 a full interchange to keep with the long term vision to pull it into CentrePort. There would also likely need to be some work on construction of access roads specifically just east of HWY 6 on the north side and on the west north of Roser Rd (formely Inkster).

On the east side Gunn Rd and Dugald would likely see full interchanges.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by Reignman

^ reconfigurement of the Roblin and Wilkes structures? Or just overpass deck rehab?

That's a huge project...easily over a $billion total. I imagine the feds would be contributing to it as that entire stretch is the Trans Canada?

Roblin Blvd will be a deck replacement and ramp upgrades (around $20m) and Wilkes is in design, a total reconfiguration of the poorly designed on-ramps and deck replacement (around $35m).

A brand new cloverleaf, basic design is around $40-50m.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

2015/2016?! Is that planned deck/structure rehabs?

Or is that when they will start planning? I know you're getting info from elsewhere Biff, but you're getting people excited lol

I was incorrect about the timing for Wilkes. It is in design 2015. the Girder tender for Roblin should be out any time now if it isn't already.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by CoryB

In terms of the St Norbert by-pass, that is likely towards the tail end of this work due to considerations around the alignment for a yet to be announced road. It is possible though the tail end near the Perimeter will be secured with the full run as a future consideration. This would result in a structure similar to what we see over at CentrePort.

There currently is no funding for St Norbert until at least past 2020. My guess that the Province would have to have the Headingley Bypass underway before they announce funding for St Norbert.

[bomberjet]

Pretty sure the lighting tender was out last fall for the south Perimeter. Otherwise what you guys have outlines sounds great.

Thanks for all the info Biff! I'm just going to assume a new cloverleaf to the south for Wilkes would be in conjunction with the current study being undertaken by CoW for the WRCP extension. Or the CoW should at least be in discussions with MIT on that. City is planning for a new route south of Wilkes. Essentially a western Sterling Lyon extension.

[esquire]

^ Do actual cloverleafs still get built? I thought they were an outdated form of interchange.

[bomberjet]

They still get built. Most of the time where money isn't as tight, any major traffic flows are accommodated by directional ramps. Like the ramp being maintained/rebuilt at 59N/101. CCW/101 interchange has a future directional (or systems) ramp from WB CCW to SB 101 planned. Ideally you would have directional ramps at all major interchanges going in every direction. Obviously cost prohibitive. So loop ramps are a compromise of cost vs. level of service. For the most parts loops serve their purpose just fine.

In the USA, unless you're on the Interstate, most state or civic freeways have large numbers of cloverleafs. China and their massive freeway projects, and they are extremely massive projects, has a large amount of stack interchanges. But they do build cloverleafs and all the rest.

On a side note, China's trunk freeway system went from 0 km of roadway in 1988 to 111,000 km in 2014. Unreal.. They've laid more concrete in the last 3 years, than the USA has ever used for everything they've built. roads, buildings, etc. Unreal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressways_of_China

Interchange hierarchy pretty much goes like this:
Full systems interchange (either stack or full blown spaghetti looking ramps)
Partial systems/cloverleaf
Cloverleaf
Parclo/Trumpet
Diamond