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Old Posted Jul 4, 2019, 2:23 AM
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Can anyone shed some light on this spate of violent crime in Ottawa? Stabbings at bus stops? Shootings in the Market? Sounds very peculiar to me.
According to many people in Ottawa... nothing to see here.

It's all overblown.
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According to many people in Ottawa... nothing to see here.

It's all overblown.
Many of the shootings over the past year or so have been related to ongoing gang rivalries. Hardly a secret.
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Is it the Italians or the Irish?
It is 2019 so neither
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Many of the shootings over the past year or so have been related to ongoing gang rivalries. Hardly a secret.
It is no big deal until you or someone you love gets caught in the crossfire. These guys aren't surgically precise.
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According to many people in Ottawa... nothing to see here.

It's all overblown.
While the homicide numbers are not alarmingly high in Ottawa, the thing that I find concerning is how they tend to happen in unexpected and/or busy places. You mentioned a while ago that you were in the Byward market with your family just before somebody was shot dead, and that was around 7 pm and the streets were packed with people. This kind of situation is not acceptable and it should not become the norm.
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While the homicide numbers are not alarmingly high in Ottawa, the thing that I find concerning is how they tend to happen in unexpected and/or busy places. You mentioned a while ago that you were in the Byward market with your family just before somebody was shot dead, and that was around 7 pm and the streets were packed with people. This kind of situation is not acceptable and it should not become the norm.
No offense but when would a murder be acceptable?
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2019, 12:53 PM
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No offense but when would a murder be acceptable?
Of course, never. But I would say such a situation is even less "acceptable", for lack of better words. We are talking about drug dealers and thugs shooting at each other, they should at least have the "decency" (not the ideal word I know) not to involve the public.
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Many people already avoid the Market at night and have done so for many years. Fortunately, that's not a big sacrifice ...

Come to think of it, a friend told me just the other day that she avoids the Market, period. Same rationale, but she also finds it too seedy for her tastes, even during the day.
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Of course, never. But I would say such a situation is even less "acceptable", for lack of better words.
I'd add that runs against our brains' sense of logic to have murders regularly occurring in certain places as opposed to others.

Neither is acceptable of course but a shooting in a poor community housing project at 3 am involving known gang members is less jarring than a shooting in a crowded tourist district filled with families and couples, when it isn't even dark yet.
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Many people already avoid the Market at night and have done so for many years. Fortunately, that's not a big sacrifice ...

Come to think of it, a friend told me just the other day that she avoids the Market, period. Same rationale, but she also finds it too seedy for her tastes, even during the day.
There was another stabbing early this morning in the market, near a homeless shelter.

The homeless, whose shelters and services are concentrated in and around the market it must be said, seem to be going at each other particularly with knives a lot more, of late.

Though for the most part as you've mentioned the violence in Ottawa is mostly related to the street gang phenomenon. As we've seen they're increasingly brazen and don't really care about where and when if they want to make a "hit".

By Ottawa standards it's getting darn close to being out of control. Of course the nervous nellies and alarmists are all over themselves in social media and comment sections about how Ottawa is becoming "just like Detroit". But they're only a small minority of Ottawans.

Bien-pensant Ottawa, which is the large majority of the citizenry, seems largely unconcerned and even in denial about the downward spiral. (It's quite reminiscent of the mindset in Toronto in recent years, in fact.)
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Are you seriously trying to argue that all these murders wouldn't have happened if anybody else had been voted in to office? Seriously?
I've heard that the police are stretched quite thin in Winnipeg. You can blame both the premier and mayor for the sad state of Winnipeg's crime stats at present time.

Quibbling about funding and cut resources- a health system stretched way too thin amidst massive reform and a crystal meth crisis with no new resources to deal with it. Petty crime is on the rise and now gangs are fighting over turf amidst a lucrative drug trade with an already vulnerable population to drugs and addiction in Winnipeg. It's the makings of a horror story.
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I've heard that the police are stretched quite thin in Winnipeg. You can blame both the premier and mayor for the sad state of Winnipeg's crime stats at present time.

Quibbling about funding and cut resources- a health system stretched way too thin amidst massive reform and a crystal meth crisis with no new resources to deal with it. Petty crime is on the rise and now gangs are fighting over turf amidst a lucrative drug trade with an already vulnerable population to drugs and addiction in Winnipeg. It's the makings of a horror story.
It does feel as though petty crime and troublemaking... the kinds of things that have a real impact on quality of life... are bounding back in a hurry after declining for many years. It felt like we were turning the corner in making downtown and surrounding area a liveable place again, but it feels like we're starting to move back in the direction of the bad old 90s again.

I concede that I am not the most plugged in person when it comes to drugs and addiction, but it is jaw dropping to me how meth has caught on like wildfire... so many people seem completely powerless to resist it, even knowing the kinds of harm it can cause.
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Are you seriously trying to argue that all these murders wouldn't have happened if anybody else had been voted in to office? Seriously?
Are you seriously acting incredulous that cuts to Manitoba's social safety net could result in an increase in crime? Seriously?
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What is this "Market" you Ottawanians always speak of? Byward Market?
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What is this "Market" you Ottawanians always speak of? Byward Market?
So where do you live now?
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What is this "Market" you Ottawanians always speak of? Byward Market?
Correct. The main tourist and nightlife district.
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∆ Thanks. That doesn't seem like a typically bad area, so what's with the murders? Coked out lads can't hold their liquor?
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∆ Thanks. That doesn't seem like a typically bad area, so what's with the murders? Coked out lads can't hold their liquor?
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The gang scene from the bad parts of town spilling over into other non-bad areas because the perps don't give a damn.

Criminal activity in Ottawa apparently isn't as "organized" as it is in other ciites (say, Montreal) so you don't have powerful people calling the shots, who for example might come down really hard on a minion thug who shoots off a gun in the daytime in a tourist district, because the crime kingpins know the cops won't let that fly like they might turn more of a blind eye to thug-on-thug crimes in bad areas.
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