Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg

[Biff]

Originally Posted by Cyro

Water/Sewer issues delayed all that is CentrePort. I'm still stinging due to the loss of a potential $15 Billion Data Center. Remember Google. The infrastructure was NOT in PLACE to proceed. It has apparently now been solved or is in the process of being solved..

$200+ Million for CCW pails in comparison to the 15 Billion lost for not having the area ready to take on new industrial clients.

I don't want to argue, but I would like to clarify this statement a little.

It was Facebook and the total project budget was estimated at $1.5 billion. Water was an issue but not the reason they lost out on the bid. The final winner from Ohio or Iowa (cant remember who) gave entirely too much in incentives that Manitoba couldn't compete with. I talked to numerous people involved with the negotiations and they said that Manitoba really did offer everything they could. The state awarded, pretty much paid Facebook to locate there, so much that Facebook really had no choice. Manitoba/Winnipeg was apparently down to almost the last signature away from getting it.

I agree it was a big loss but good to know that the capital region was really that close to getting it in the first place. I feel that this attempt should make it feasible in the future to hopefully win other sizable future projects.

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by Biff

I don't want to argue, but I would like to clarify this statement a little.

No problem Biff, your quite right, water was not the only issue involved. I still connect Google to Facebook but it was always FB, I posted it my self several times in the CCW thread as well as the cost involved. Again, 1.2-1.5 billion was the estimated cost, did not add that crucial (.) to the figure, big difference $ 15 B to 1.5 B. Iowa apparently did win the contract as it was announced shortly after the failed attempt here.

[bomberjet]

^Yeah, what's up with that? Clearly not what was built there. Ultimate build out maybe?

[bomberjet]

Here's another shot from the Free Press showing the cloverstack.



http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...249315661.html

[bomberjet]

Better quality image of Headingley Bypass


http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ve=&item=30144

[original]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.htm...ve=&item=30144

rebuilding the southwest Perimeter Highway with interstate standard interchanges to create a high-speed free-flowing roadway to accommodate the increasing economic activity and truck traffic that comes with the opening of CentrePort Canada Way

Hey look, they said interstate standard interchanges instead of interstate standard flood levels this time. I'm pretty blown away...

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by original

Hey look, they said interstate standard interchanges instead of interstate standard flood levels this time. I'm pretty blown away...

Me too! They also said this:

and will support the creation of a common-use rail facility at CentrePort, our next major project.

Which I'll be watching closely.

[jmt18325]

Centreport includes the land at the northwest corner of Brookside and Inkster, so yes, they did.

[biguc]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

Centreport includes the land at the northwest corner of Brookside and Inkster, so yes, they did.

I'm well aware of that. But making the boundaries of centreport include businesses that already existed doesn't mean businesses are flocking to centreport. It'll take actual new construction of actual new businesses before I buy this load of garbage. CP is just another sham like Smart Park: government pumps money into a cruddy suburban business park and then fellate themselves and tells everyone they built Rome in a day. Maybe you can decipher what people garble around mouthfulls of their own cock, but I sure can't.

Actually, scratch that. I know you can't. You hear the gurgling the same as me but take for granted that there's some kind of truth behind it all.


Cyro, nobody's angry. I mean, I'm angry about how this province and city are run. I'm angry about how they lie to us. I guess I'm angry you're falling for it. But I know I'm not mad at you, brother.

Anyway, here's a map of centreport, so we're all clear on the facts. Yes, there are businesses in centreport. And, as jmt pointed out, they're along Brookside. But they already existed. The claim that 26 businesses opened or expanded in centreport is as empty as our provincial government's claims about how they're going to spend 99999999999999999 dollars on infrastructure in the next 3 days--that money was already in place, just like those businesses were.




Maybe I'm fundamentally wrong in how I understand the world works, though. Maybe the entire Perimeter Highway is brand-fucken-new because White Elephant Way is new and connects to it. Maybe if Perkins changed their name I wouldn't notice they serve the same garbage-ass food. Maybe I would fuck a pig if you put lipstick on it.

Maybe. But I think I'm right on this one.

[jmt18325]

It's the area north of what you see on the satellite image. Take a drive...or just keep belittling people, your choice.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

It's the area north of what you see on the satellite image. Take a drive...or just keep belittling people, your choice.

Much of that land to the north is in the RM of Rosser, how does having businesses located outside Winnipeg but primarily using Winnipeg's roadways benefit Winnipeg again?

It's a pretty weak argument for pouring (flushing) more money on roadways for centreport until more business are actually willing to locate there, let me guess the NDP's argument for doing so, "we ALMOST had a major business set up here so lets spend yet even more money ($150M) on Centre Port Way as a sign of good faith for the companies who DON'T want to locate here"! Makes a lot of sense.

[Riverman]

Data centres are not big employers anyway. Operations and much of the maintenance can be done remotely from anywhere in the world. They are pretty much a lights-out operation. Only a few people are needed locally for physical hardware replacement etc.

Of course they are huge power consumers, and I'm sure most of those negotiations would be around getting that electric power for free.

I don't see why a data centre needs an expressway nearby.

[jmt18325]

This is within Winnipeg.

[citydesigner23]

Everything West of Brookside is out of city limits

[jmt18325]

Really? I thought the city owned a small piece of it p, south of Little Mountain Road, or whatever it is.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

Really? I thought the city owned a small piece of it p, south of Little Mountain Road, or whatever it is.

Rosser's eastern border runs from Notre Dame Avenue to Mollard Road.

[rypinion]

Just search for "Winnipeg" in Google Maps, it will highlight the border with a red dotted line.

[jmt18325]

Also, to add, the new roadways are not Winnipeg's roadways.

[bomberjet]

^ I always forget how far south Winnipeg goes. The Perimeter is like a second beltway down there, in 100 years when the sprawl get's that much further south.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

^ I always forget how far south Winnipeg goes. The Perimeter is like a second beltway down there, in 100 years when the sprawl get's that much further south.

Yup, we don't fool around in Winnipeg we build the second beltway first (whether it's needed or not), inner ring roads are for wimps!