Western Expresso - Page 175

BigG · #**3481** Posted **Mar 27, 2017, 5:39 PM**

The word "racist" is a strong and serious word. It shouldn't be thrown around loosely because the strength and seriousness of it is diminished. I don't find anything racist about rr's comments - it's just the plain truth and the fact is, the people in that unfortunate situation come in all stripes and colours. I agree with him.

JM5 · #**3482** Posted **Mar 27, 2017, 5:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ando

These comments are racist and offensive and don't belong on this forum. I'm surprised the "moderators" haven't done anything about it.

Keep throwing that word around and racists are going to "take it back".

hexrae · #**3483** Posted **Mar 27, 2017, 5:59 PM**

Token Native guy here. I've disagreed with rrskylar in the past but it's true. I'm just glad he didn't restore to "name calling" and took the high road.

Just so everyone knows, we're trying. I don't think it's a lost cause so we'll get there. For example, I'm Software Developer and am trying to teach kids my path. My family and friends don't live that life, so there's more positive than you think.

rkspec · #**3484** Posted **Mar 27, 2017, 6:01 PM**

aahh the forgotten race, criminals.

Jeff · #**3485** Posted **Mar 27, 2017, 7:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ando

These comments are racist and offensive and don't belong on this forum. I'm surprised the "moderators" haven't done anything about it.

I'm metis. always trying to look at this half glass full.. but maintain a cynical eye to all the issues.

BAKGUY · #**3486** Posted **Mar 27, 2017, 8:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by hexrae

Token Native guy here. I've disagreed with rrskylar in the past but it's true. I'm just glad he didn't restore to "name calling" and took the high road.

Just so everyone knows, we're trying. I don't think it's a lost cause so we'll get there. For example, I'm Software Developer and am trying to teach kids my path. My family and friends don't live that life, so there's more positive than you think.

Great for you and yours. Nothing makes me happier than success where it can be a challenge.Kudos!
I have friensd both Native and metis who have done very well considering some obstacles they overcame with perseverance.

Yes, some of the comments skylar makes are aggressive but we have to face facts when that is what they are.
I am not a fan of confrontation nor the ostrich method.
Plus, this is not Trump land with alternate facts. lol

Wolf13 · #**3487** Posted **Mar 27, 2017, 10:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

City and province have no money because everything goes for social services, health care for a segment of the population that eats up way more than their fair share because of unhealthy lifestyle practices and the judicial system including public safety and policing than once again is spent primarily on a certain group that is always on the wrong side of the law!

End of rant!

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Originally Posted by Ando

These comments are racist and offensive and don't belong on this forum. I'm surprised the "moderators" haven't done anything about it.

Sorry man, but that's lazy.

Despite the insinuation you're still making an assumption, and despite the modern tendencies of SJW's to scream out allll the buzzwords like racism, xenophobia, sexism, ageism... all the phobias and isms... it's reckless.

They carry weight. They do big damage to those accused of them and the mere rebuttal using those buzzwords is assumed to be the end of the conversation.

All that does is hide truth, avoid discussion, and halt true improvement. Our society cannot get anything done because the moment something uncomfortable happens these words get shouted and everything stops.

Even worse, it pisses people off until actual racists are bred.

headhorse · #**3488** Posted **Mar 28, 2017, 12:19 AM**

the problem is white supremacy + capitalism and complaining about sjw's and political correctness shows that you don't have any concept of the way the world actually works and why disparities in wealth exist.

headhorse · #**3489** Posted **Mar 28, 2017, 12:22 AM**

you want more money for health care? drastically reduce the number of cops. reduce their pay. tax high income earners more. do you care about the livelihood of indigenous peoples? advocate for them. support their causes. stop letting corporations destroy the land and steal resources.

Urban recluse · #**3490** Posted **Mar 28, 2017, 12:23 AM**

This is why Pallister was refusing to agree to Ottawa's funding, or lackthereof. Manitoba's high percentage of people not paying into the system, seriously affects the cost of healthcare in the province.

Urban recluse · #**3491** Posted **Mar 28, 2017, 12:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

you want more money for health care? drastically reduce the number of cops. reduce their pay. tax high income earners more. do you care about the livelihood of indigenous peoples? advocate for them. support their causes. stop letting corporations destroy the land and steal resources.

The high number of police correlates with the aboriginal population.

Bdog · #**3492** Posted **Mar 28, 2017, 2:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

This is why Pallister was refusing to agree to Ottawa's funding, or lackthereof. Manitoba's high percentage of people not paying into the system, seriously affects the cost of healthcare in the province.

Retired baby-boomers?

Urban recluse · #**3493** Posted **Mar 28, 2017, 3:03 AM**

Hahaha

rrskylar · #**3494** Posted **Mar 28, 2017, 4:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ando

These comments are racist and offensive and don't belong on this forum. I'm surprised the "moderators" haven't done anything about it.

Sorry to offend you Ando but what I posted is called the truth obviously you can't handle it! Ask anyone in Manitoba at social services, healthcare or the judicial system what the elephant in the room is!

Urban recluse · #**3495** Posted **Mar 28, 2017, 4:17 PM**

Ride along with the police, and your eyes will open.

rrskylar · #**3496** Posted **Mar 28, 2017, 4:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by hexrae

Token Native guy here. I've disagreed with rrskylar in the past but it's true. I'm just glad he didn't restore to "name calling" and took the high road.

Just so everyone knows, we're trying. I don't think it's a lost cause so we'll get there. For example, I'm Software Developer and am trying to teach kids my path. My family and friends don't live that life, so there's more positive than you think.

Of course I don't paint everyone with the same brush, Manitoba has a long way to go in coming up with solutions to lift everyone up but govt. isn't the solution to solve all of this. Thankfully there is some great leadership that ''gets it" and are trying to help!

rrskylar · #**3497** Posted **Mar 28, 2017, 4:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

The high number of police correlates with the aboriginal population.

Not entirely, it's a poverty issue more than anything else. Despite the NDP regime's claims more in Winnipeg become poor during their reign. Programs that were supposed to help didn't and a lot of what they did had the opposite effect. Job creation and a strong economy do more for everyone than social programs!

jmt18325 · #**3498** Posted **Mar 28, 2017, 4:30 PM**

Having a lot of police doesn't seem to help much.

rrskylar · #**3499** Posted **Mar 28, 2017, 4:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

you want more money for health care? drastically reduce the number of cops. reduce their pay. tax high income earners more. do you care about the livelihood of indigenous peoples? advocate for them. support their causes. stop letting corporations destroy the land and steal resources.

You do know what high tax earners do when they are over-taxed right?

PS ignored your other post because it was so fucking stupid!

Wolf13 · #**3500** Posted **Mar 28, 2017, 9:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

the problem is white supremacy + capitalism and complaining about sjw's and political correctness shows that you don't have any concept of the way the world actually works and why disparities in wealth exist.

Yeah no.

You can't just throw around buzzwords with no accuracy whatsoever, toss in disparity and blame whomever you choose "because the system".

All I said was that the post I quoted was reckless, because it perpetuates whining, increases the gravity of any accusation and risks pitting people against each other by hinging on these words rather than discussing.

There are macro problems in this world, but one of the biggest problems is refusing to work on the micro problems while waiting on others to solve the macro issues.

If you know how the world really works, then surely you're on top of the world, no? Because you know how it works and know how to work it?

Nobody who "doesn't know how the world works" doesn't make progress, and I'm doing alright. I assume you are too.

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Originally Posted by headhorse

you want more money for health care? drastically reduce the number of cops. reduce their pay. tax high income earners more. do you care about the livelihood of indigenous peoples? advocate for them. support their causes. stop letting corporations destroy the land and steal resources.

Maybe you didn't take some of the previous posts the right way, but nobody is against the livelihood or cause of the indiginous people. There are, however, different interpretations of this among many.

But if supporting the cause means advocating more taxation (but not for indiginous people) and boycotting corporations, we might not get far. If that's the message, then maybe the cause has to evolve.